4 important updates

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  1. leng199

    leng199 MDL Novice

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    This morning in my win 7 there was a notification of 4 important updates. They are kb3175024
    kb3177186, kb3184122 and kb3185911. I wish to know whether they are save to be install.
    Hope to hear from you all. Thanks.
     
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  3. leng199

    leng199 MDL Novice

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    Thanks for your reply. I hope you can explain in layman term whether it spy on you or check certain thing in your computer. I rather say do you think it is safe after the pass updates it causes.
     
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  5. leng199

    leng199 MDL Novice

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    Thanks very much for the needed information. I m afraid it will make my windows not genuine after this updates and the telemetry thing which was highlighted in the pass issue. Since it does not have this things I may install this updates.
     
  6. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

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    So.. you are going to ask about every update if safe or not?
    then, it's better to disable Windows Update
     
  7. leng199

    leng199 MDL Novice

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    Thanks abbodi1406 maybe you did not get what I ask. Actually what I mean is those recent updates which appeared today on my computer, do they have that nasty thing like the passed update.
     
  8. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

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    Security updates don't have any nasty telemetry or whatever
    if they contain non-security additions, Microsoft would document that (just like the IE11 cumulative few months ago)
     
  9. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    MS16-114 does have non-security updates bundled with it. Didn't bother checking the other updates
     
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  10. belpin95

    belpin95 MDL Novice

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    thanks for the info
     
  11. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    peeps no longer trust M$, And why does M$ start to bundle security and non-security updates together now?
     
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  12. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

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    Because they want common components base and reduce the patch fragmentation
    most users do not accept or realise the fact that most updates are important or affect each other

    of course, msft have big share of blame on this trust issue with their GWX campaign

    well, don't use what you don't trust, simple as that :D
    ranting and questioning every update does not worth it
     
  13. PhaseDoubt

    PhaseDoubt MDL Expert

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    #13 PhaseDoubt, Sep 14, 2016
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    [FONT=&amp]They were all perfectly safe on my Windows 7 fully patched Home x64 VirtualBox VM. The only update I don’t have is KB971033 … ALL other updates have been installed. But then the reason I have this VM (and a couple of Snapshots) is to test things like new updates.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&amp]But as far as your system goes, my experience mostly means, well … nothing. My machine is not your machine and predicting precisely how yours will react is not really possible. We could guess, but then so can you.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&amp]If updates concern you that much, disable updates or create your own test VM. Or create a System Image of the post update system and be prepared to restore it. [/FONT]
     
  14. leng199

    leng199 MDL Novice

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    Thank you PhaseDoubt and the others who have contribute with much needed information. If we disable the update, if there is really a security threat and we did not installed that update then on the other hand we are at risk. If there is a way to check what does certain updates will do to your computer will be much better. Creating a system image I do agreed but the image in my 'C' drive is quite large (231Gb.) and space is limited. If we just create a restore point in windows will it really help if we find after the update it cause certain problem, and restore it back to the time before updating. Will be much appreciate to hear from you all.
     
  15. PhaseDoubt

    PhaseDoubt MDL Expert

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    #15 PhaseDoubt, Sep 15, 2016
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    None of my systems exceed 50-70GB or so as I do not store my personal data on my C: drive ... documents, photos, videos and all the rest have been permanently relocated to a separate "UserData" partition on the physical system drive: D: usually. That UserData partition is backed up often and regularly to a separate internal data drive and an external USB drive. That way my system image is only system files and programs, i.e. Windows itself at 50-70gb. But given that my newest machine has a 1TB data drive, an image of 231GB would not be a big deal. Of course, that may not be true for you.

    You're always going to have to deal with an ever increasing amount of personal data, that's one reason drive makers have responded with bigger drives. We all just have to figure out how to manage that data.

    As to how to check to see if a given update will do you harm, how can that be answered? Your system is essentially unique and you won't know until you install the update and see what happens. You can wait and search the internet for people having problems, but even if you found nothing, one still could muck up your system. For me, the ultimate fix is to be able to revert to an earlier stable image. You have to decide what you want to do given the options you have. You can't be perfectly protected against all bad things all the time. Have a working and tested disaster recovery plan and move on.
     
  16. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    I always wait a least a week or most of the time, 2 weeks before I update my Windows 7. If there's a chance that M$ will F*** up my pc, I'll let someone else find out first and wait for the patches for the patch. I figure that I was just as vulnerable a week ago as I would be today, so it is irrelevant that I wait

    Edit: It's not like M$ has ever f**** up somebody's pc from a bad update is it?
     
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  17. leng199

    leng199 MDL Novice

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    Thanks PhaseDoubt ad Joe C for the information given. As I have made a mistake of not organizing the 'C' partition which now have many files and folder in it. If I do a imaging of the 'C' drive it will be a long process, can I move all the other folders to the other partition, and left the other as default then the image size will be smaller. What are the default folders in 'C' partition, I don't remember the default folders in it. Hope you can guide me.
     
  18. PhaseDoubt

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    #18 PhaseDoubt, Sep 16, 2016
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    [FONT=&amp]I have my user name folder on my desktop and all the folders there are the ones I relocated. I did so by editing the path on each folder’s Location tab. You can do this anytime, just be patient when the files are moved if you have a large number. Just remember all this moved data needs to be backed up somehow.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&amp]If you have a OneDrive folder, the relocation is not just a simple new path in the Location tab. It doesn’t have a Location tab.[/FONT]

    [FONT=&amp]Imaging a 50-70GB Windows system to an internal drive takes around 10-12 minutes for me. Longer for a USB drive but that’s not a concern. I just set it to run and go do other stuff … take my dog for a walk or read a book. I’m not tied to any computer all minutes of the day.

    If you relocate all the folders under your user name, what remains is essentially just the Windows system (Windows + programs) without all the data you added over the years. If you have say 200GB of user data, your Windows footprint and image would be reduced to 31GB: 231-200=31
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  19. leng199

    leng199 MDL Novice

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    Thanks very much for your information.
     
  20. crazyodaz

    crazyodaz MDL Novice

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    #20 crazyodaz, Sep 16, 2016
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    this and this only -- i thank thee and all future questions similar
    I think allot of peeps be waiting a week or two before updating if not longer -- keep good AV and STOUT Firewall and some of these updates not really needed -- would not put it past M$ to utilize the one-two punch


    • one= this future update.msu
      two= this different update.msu
      PUNCH= both updates combined over time -- cripple computer, make dll leaks, slow everything down, ect

    oh yea, like they've never done that before?

    yea, there is not allot of trust towards M$ right now, and I wonder why -- KB3133977 can't be the only reason,