a lightfooted approach to windose ten...

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  1. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

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    1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,10..well, folks.m$ lost count...and you all got made standardised users,
    with unstoppable updates. and telemetry..
    i do not want to start a serious discussion here, but please stop to think.. m$ insider?? seriously...
    just look at the facts... dozens of failed updates...members are trying in vain to keep ahead of it.
    and i must ask you; is the invested time of your posts worth it?? just think of the time you invested..
    it must be multiple hours... and you will never get those invested hours back, ever... time to leave m$ as
    your operating system firm.
    just my 2 cents.
     
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  2. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    Let me "bite", :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    All that wasted time you seem to invest in something you claim you don't even use.

    And facts are far, far, far away from your post, onderbuikie;)
     
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  3. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

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    well, @Enthousiast , to tell you the truth, you were one of the guys i was thinking of,
    and i hope i started a train of thought.;)
    as for my not using m$ ` latest invention,the fact is that i prefer 7. no crashes, no new versions;stability:)
     
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  4. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    But good 'ol #7 will be doomed.
    Shortly after it's expiration you'll start seeing more and more software no longer supported, Drivers for new peripherals such as printers will not be available and 7 will slowly sink into oblivion. I have no doubt it will not go out without a fight but corporate doesn't give a f***k about how you feel about 7
     
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  5. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

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    i have a wicked plan, Joe. And i will tell all.the trouble with us walrusses is that we are basically lazy while i agree with you that m$ will be in a tearing hurry to wring 7s`neck as soon as possible, i will finally back up my harddisk, i have a 4TB seagate thingy lying around for that, and then, ah then.. i will wipe that good old harddisk and install linux mint.i used it already on my antique lappy, and i was pleasantly surprised. i found i could live with it. just a bit slow on that old lappy. and it takes time to get used to linux,and if they want to sell peripherals to me, they had better have a working driver for my os, or the sale will be off. btw; it never failed to amuse me how long xp kept going after end of life, and i expect that to happen with 7 as well.i think m$ will have real problem there to standardise the users to standard w 10 users, i expect.
     
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  6. nodnar

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  7. Krager

    Krager MDL Senior Member

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    #7 Krager, Feb 12, 2019
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    Not happy at all where Windows 10 has gone. Was a pretty happy win7 user until last year where I had to move up to 10 with new hardware. It is ~posssible~ to get 10 whipped into shape, but it's a real bitch.

    I thought it was involved getting win7 whipped into shape but that was nothing. I can't put that kind of time into setting up my computer every time there's a new version of Windows. I'm sure as hell not going to run it in its stock configuration with all the telemetry, automatic updating, and overloaded start-up processes.

    The complaint with Linux or BSD is it takes too much fiddling. Getting things set up to one's preference is time consuming, but now it's way less work than getting win10 set up to preference. In my case that's auditing services and tasks and getting all the policies configured to make win10 tolerable. Also setting up an unattended installation and configuring the install image as much as I can.

    One other big complaint with win10 is it seems to suffer from split personality among all its other faults. Remember how winxp had a nice homogenous interface for settings, all the settings panels looked the same. Then win7 added a new one with both styles running concurrently. Now with win10 there's three different interface styles for settings. And that new Settings interface on universal windows platform really sucks, also has a bunch of background processes required for support.
     
  8. Krager

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    #8 Krager, Feb 12, 2019
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    I have to comment on that article. I didn't read the article word for word, but glanced through. It looks to me they're peddling win10 on the FUD platform, upgrade to win10 because win7 is not secure and all kinds of nasty things will befall you if you fail to upgrade. Isn't that the same drivel we heard about upgrading from winxp to win7?

    Let me talk about the problems I've actually experienced in three decades of using Windows. I have had my computer compromised a few times over the years and it was solely from visiting sketchy sites running Internet Explorer as my primary browser. Since I've gone to Chrome and FF with a good filter, (uBlock Origin now), I've not had a single problem in recent years. It was only when I was using an MS product, IE, that I had trouble with online security.

    There's the argument it's not just sketchy sites that can penetrate your system, but any site can get hacked. It may have happened to someone at some time, but I've never experienced that. What are the odds the average person will hit a reputable site that's been injected with malware. I don't know, but I think it's pretty low.
     
  9. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

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    that is also my impression. more robust browsers do help.and; another consideration; if you run a site you want your visitors to come back, and they wont if their systems get compromised.so you have a real interest to keep your site clean.i once heard about infected ads on some sites here in holland, but an adblocker should keep you safe from that.
     
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  10. RanCorX2

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    tbh there is zero reason to have upgraded to 10 if you go deep and think about it.

    cons:

    dx12 (i haven't found a game that has dx12 support than doesn't crash when it's enabled, division 1, metro exodus) i use geforce card
    no old start menu (apart from 3rd party)
    no aero visual styles (apart from 3rd party stuff)
    repair startup is still just as useful as ever as in never repairs startup issues
    store is garbage, games cost more than steam
    loads of svchost processes (can set it back to old way though)
    repair component store is useless
    apps are basic
    can't customize welcome screen via the old ways
    forced to have xbox and other junk reinstalled

    pros:

    boots a little faster than 7

    i'd go back to 7 but i'm ok with 10 now, after getting it to a state where i'm happy and i'm like others who just like to keep software updated for security etc. (if that even matters)
     
  11. Krager

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    Win10 does have some nice little features that come in handy. For one I really like the built-in support for mounting iso files. Though it wasn't that much trouble to load PowerISO on win7. There's some other little things I find handy, but all in all not compensation for the things they did poorly.

    As mentioned one thing win7 can't do is run DX12. Ironically the best selection in games seems to come from older ones that don't need it. The market for PC games has really diminished in recent years and there aren't nearly the releases there used to be. Going back to older unplayed games is a good way to see new titles.

    The one and only advantage I see in in win10 is the support for newer hardware. For example it does a much better job handling solid state drives. Also on my laptop it does a good job running two different graphics controllers side by side.

    Really there's nothing compelling to run win10 over win7 unless you need it for hardware support, which is why I'm running it. Otherwise I'd stay on win7 until application support becomes a problem.

    Actually in thirty some years of using Windows, my favorite version was WindowsXP. It was simple, efficient, and homogeneous. Everything was done well. Was the most reliable version to its date. Everything's been downhill since.
     
  12. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    That is by design because they do not want you to have a better experience with Windows 7
     
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  13. Shortyportuguese

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    I think in the same way, if we look back in the past, Windows 7 was a clean-up bug fixed lightweight version of Windows Vista...
    But now they trying to force people to accepting the Windows 8 re-badged version called W10, and what have changed now? In my humble point of view, if we take from Win NT4 -> Win7, we have slowly lost some control of O.S, but since Win8 comes, major restrictions comes to the table, and with Win10, this just get worse and worse...
    I seriously thinking if the same will happen with other O.S as Linux... This is my humble 2 cents.
     
  14. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

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    hm. not over worried about linux, except for the disreputable firm of canonical, trying to use telemetry in ubuntu, and cooperating with m$ with windose..
    i suspect m$ is just biding its time to throw some serious money at canonical, to take it over.. and then.... disaster strikes! ubuntu11;)
     
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  15. Krager

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    Yeah it's hard to say if the Linux crowd might start subscribing to the "we know what's best" philosophy. I've seen some of that already...ahem...systemd. Though I have a feeling there will always be development forks when things go awry. Debian did that to me with systemd so now I use another distro. That's the big difference, there's no one person or group saying this is the way it will be for better or worse.
     
  16. Michaela Joy

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    Just my opinion, but as long as 'NIX stays open source, we have nothing to worry about.

    If people start to worry about a specific distro spying on them, someone will take the time and start digging.
    And when they find the offensive module, they'll provide instructions on how to strip the offensive code out of the source.

    Or release a new distro without the the "spyware".

    That's the great thing about this MS vs. 'NIX rivalry. People are always scrutinizing the 'NIX source.

    (HOO RAH! )
     
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