I started out loving on those AMD chips way back then also but around 2008 when that Bulldozer chip failed big time I too started using Intel chips. When I do another build for my personal use I will consider AMD again. I have already done a couple AMD "economy" pc's using those Ryzen 3 2200G chips and I was not disappointed.
________ Corporations_____ Consumers Sometimes we hate to admit the truth. I must, however, yield to your logic. Per what you said...all the more reason why: If AMD delivers on everyone's expectations, Intel's in serious trouble. Consumers have less "wiggle-room" these days with their pocketbooks.
ya know... Memory and SSD's are at their lowest prices right now. Honestly I've been considering on scarfing up on a bunch of memory, ssd's and psu's just for saving up on that proposed price hike..... It could be a profitable prospect. But... it is a gamble as to whether this price war will really happen
Again, an uncomfortable possibility but I must accept it. Wow, MS_User. You made me say that twice in one thread! I'm impressed!
Although I am also an 'anti mainstream consumer' (and someone who supports competitors and small good projects such as raspi, enigma, etc...I also had an AthlonXP and watched how Intel took influence on mobo OEMs to suppress AMD boards,..etc etc..) I don't think they will be much in front of the I9. Not pretty much more than 10% What's realizable is a lower power consumption and a better prize/performance ratio, though.
I do not agree about Intel's influence on mobo's. Back in AMD's hey day those Phenom chips were unstoppable when competing with those Intel Pentium's. But when AMD dropped the ball with it's Bulldozer cpu's and Intel came out with those "i" series cpu's it was game over for AMD until AMD came out with those Zen cpu's.
The Athlon(XP) introduced the AMD takeover and was the first serious competitor to the crappy Pentium 4/Pentium D. Athlon64 then made it very clear who is the new boss. Phenom chips were far later and continued the breakthrough of AMD. First one was Agena. I had an AMD Thoroughbred. That time Intel (actually Intel/M$ alliance) had massive influence on mobo OEMs. Intel wanted Asus to limit AMD mobos else they'd get poorer conditions. And there were rumors that there won't be guarantied that windows will run on AMD CPUs in the future, etc,etc...
I had a Barton chip back then. That Intel/M$ alliance has also extended to AMD because it is now very difficult (if not impossible) to install Windows 7 on any AMD boards today, thanks to a lack of drivers provided (M$ influence)
On the contrary people who still are running a first gen I7 can install LTSC2019 today. To my surprise anything on board is still supported and installed fine (even third party USB3 from non Intel AKA Renesas ex NEC). Not sure how AMDs boards from that time would behave...
Yea, well...hope you are right. This would let drop Intel's prizes as well. Anyway we should differentiate clock speed and performance related to a certain task...and...nanometers of the fabrication process and real transistor density. With TSMC there is 7nm but that actually -almost!- compares to Intel's 10 nm process's density (which is actually not yet found at mainstream CPUs). We'll see...
Any AMD boards that are Raven Ridge do not support W7 because there are no drivers. And yes, I too am running Windows 7 on a first gen Skylake cpu, I know this can also be done on the Kaby Lake cpu's also, but it is not what "average users" are going to do (installing usb 3 drivers) Most will accept and swallow whatever M$ shovels out to them. Personally I am not sure but I think peeps are installing Windows 7 on those other AMD boards but there are certain steps that need to be done.... just like the Intel boards
Regarding modern AMD mobos... Raven Ridge are the low-priced CPUs. The current higher-end Ryzens--like the 2700X--are Pinnacle Ridge. As I haven't looked at non-Pinnacle Ryzens I can't speak on those. For the 2700X, I can go online today and buy a brand new top-of-the-line motherboard with Win7 x64 drivers.