Any HDD gurus around? Got a Q for U

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  1. EFA11

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    #1 EFA11, Nov 6, 2014
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    Any thoughts on the formatting of these drives? Anything seem a little off, or maybe not exactly right? Suggestions, thoughts?

    Code:
    Microsoft Windows [Version 6.3.9600]
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    1.5TB Drive (System)
    C:\Windows\system32>Fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo c:
    NTFS Volume Serial Number :       0x6cf6bfadf6bf7644
    NTFS Version   :                  3.1
    LFS Version    :                  1.1
    Number Sectors :                  0x00000000ae97efff
    Total Clusters :                  0x0000000015d2fdff
    Free Clusters  :                  0x000000000f629c4b
    Total Reserved :                  0x0000000000001070
    Bytes Per Sector  :               512
    Bytes Per Physical Sector :       4096
    Bytes Per Cluster :               4096
    Bytes Per FileRecord Segment    : 1024
    Clusters Per FileRecord Segment : 0
    Mft Valid Data Length :           0x00000000155c0000
    Mft Start Lcn  :                  0x00000000000c0000
    Mft2 Start Lcn :                  0x0000000000000002
    Mft Zone Start :                  0x0000000002350000
    Mft Zone End   :                  0x000000000235c800
    
    1TB Drive
    C:\Windows\system32>Fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo d:
    NTFS Volume Serial Number :       0xb60a6aaf0a6a6bf5
    NTFS Version   :                  3.1
    LFS Version    :                  1.1
    Number Sectors :                  0x00000000747057ff
    Total Clusters :                  0x000000000e8e0aff
    Free Clusters  :                  0x000000000a6a0b4d
    Total Reserved :                  0x0000000000002290
    Bytes Per Sector  :               512
    Bytes Per Physical Sector :       512
    Bytes Per Cluster :               4096
    Bytes Per FileRecord Segment    : 1024
    Clusters Per FileRecord Segment : 0
    Mft Valid Data Length :           0x0000000000a00000
    Mft Start Lcn  :                  0x00000000000c0000
    Mft2 Start Lcn :                  0x0000000000000002
    Mft Zone Start :                  0x0000000003841f60
    Mft Zone End   :                  0x000000000384dda0
    
    3TB Drive
    C:\Windows\system32>Fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo e:
    NTFS Volume Serial Number :       0x220ef7e70ef7b241
    NTFS Version   :                  3.1
    LFS Version    :                  1.1
    Number Sectors :                  0x000000015d4c97ff
    Total Clusters :                  0x000000002ba992ff
    Free Clusters  :                  0x0000000029a2be76
    Total Reserved :                  0x0000000000002570
    Bytes Per Sector  :               512
    Bytes Per Physical Sector :       4096
    Bytes Per Cluster :               4096
    Bytes Per FileRecord Segment    : 1024
    Clusters Per FileRecord Segment : 0
    Mft Valid Data Length :           0x0000000000340000
    Mft Start Lcn  :                  0x00000000000c0000
    Mft2 Start Lcn :                  0x0000000000000002
    Mft Zone Start :                  0x00000000000c0340
    Mft Zone End   :                  0x00000000000cc820
    
    2TB Drive
    C:\Windows\system32>Fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo f:
    NTFS Volume Serial Number :       0xdefe1bf5fe1bc4a5
    NTFS Version   :                  3.1
    LFS Version    :                  1.1
    Number Sectors :                  0x00000000e8e06fff
    Total Clusters :                  0x000000000747037f
    Free Clusters  :                  0x0000000003d303bc
    Total Reserved :                  0x00000000000002a4
    Bytes Per Sector  :               512
    Bytes Per Physical Sector :       4096
    Bytes Per Cluster :               16384
    Bytes Per FileRecord Segment    : 1024
    Clusters Per FileRecord Segment : 0
    Mft Valid Data Length :           0x000000000d300000
    Mft Start Lcn  :                  0x0000000000030000
    Mft2 Start Lcn :                  0x0000000000000001
    Mft Zone Start :                  0x000000000172ca00
    Mft Zone End   :                  0x000000000172fc20
    
    4TB Drive
    C:\Windows\system32>Fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo g:
    NTFS Volume Serial Number :       0x9cfcb412fcb3e4a4
    NTFS Version   :                  3.1
    LFS Version    :                  1.1
    Number Sectors :                  0x000000003a380fd4
    Total Clusters :                  0x000000003a380fd4
    Free Clusters  :                  0x0000000009e1fa0a
    Total Reserved :                  0x0000000000002580
    Bytes Per Sector  :               4096
    Bytes Per Physical Sector :       4096
    Bytes Per Cluster :               4096
    Bytes Per FileRecord Segment    : 4096
    Clusters Per FileRecord Segment : 1
    Mft Valid Data Length :           0x0000000002700000
    Mft Start Lcn  :                  0x00000000000c0000
    Mft2 Start Lcn :                  0x0000000000000002
    Mft Zone Start :                  0x00000000000c2700
    Mft Zone End   :                  0x00000000000cc820
    
    
     
  2. Ryansr

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    The bytes per sector is differing on the 4TB drive but should not be a major issue. It is not possible to copy one drive to another if logical sector size of target drive differs from logical sector size of source drive. It may be possible to copy one drive to another using the following workarounds:
    - Connect drive via eSATA cable (if external HDD case and PC itself support it)
    - Take hard disk out of external case (if vendor allows it) and connect hard disk to PC via SATA port (in case of laptop with only one drive you may use SATA port for optical drive)
    - Take hard disk out of external case (if vendor allows it) and use another SATA-USB case which will provide 512 bytes per logical sector (any cheap case should do it unlike special Seagate cases)

    Source: h t t p://kb.paragon-software.com/paragon/include/templ/object2.jsp?catId=2124&objId=7018&statId=2465599&foLang=en
     
  3. Yen

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    Interesting types of HDDs.
    Common native old sector size is 512 bytes.

    To remain compatible new 4K drives have an emulation of (eight) 512 bytes sectors (logical), this is called 512e. Physical sector size is 4K though.

    And there are native 4K sectors without emulation (4Kn). These are NOT compatible to windows versions <8!

    Your 1TB HDD has the old native 512 sectors.
    The 4TB drive has native 4K sectors which aren’t emulated as 512 sectors at your current installation.
    All the others have 4K physical sectors emulated as 512 (512e).


    Native 512 sectors have no compatibility issues at all.
    Partitions on 4K sectors can have issues with XP at misaligned HDD images. First Windows XP partition starts originally at sector number 63.

    If partition offset results to an integer if divided by 4096 then it is well aligned.
    wmic partition get Name, StartingOffset



    Native 4K drives without 512e (4K native mode) are not supported at windows <8.

    Modern imagers can handle them.
    The 4TB HDD should have issues on windows 7 if no 512 emulation is possible.

    NTFS is sorta ol'crap...emulated back to dark ages, never really developed further until 8, lol...
     
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