Are there any real, technical reasons why Windows 11 can't be installed on older hardware?

Discussion in 'Windows 11' started by PolidelticusFire, Oct 13, 2023.

  1. PolidelticusFire

    PolidelticusFire MDL Addicted

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    Say, some specific feature(s) or instruction(s) Coffee Lake+ and 2nd Gen Ryzen+ CPUs have that earlier ones don't have, which Win11+ requires?

    I mean, besides the arbitrary blocks Microsoft has put into the WinPE installer and into Windows Update to prevent Feature Updates from being installed on "unsupported" machines? (Now they went even further and began actively blocking older chipsets, meaning, the actual motherboards themselves, too...)
     
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  2. kaljukass

    kaljukass MDL Guru

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    Well, there is really only one reason, to force people to buy new computer systems.
    However, this is just business and nothing else.
     
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  3. ceo54

    ceo54 MDL Addicted

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    I installed Windows 8.1 on 8th gen Intel which is unsupported and doesn't get the updates. Apart from updates, everything runs normally without any issues so what is it ?

    The answer is that Microsoft and Hardware manufacturers are partners in crime, supporting each other to rip the end user. Most certainly back room deals.
     
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  4. maur0

    maur0 MDL Senior Member

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    It's all bulls**t, I'm using w11 22h2 on a 2013 xeon e5-2697v2 that doesn't have "support" but the truth is that it works well and is faster, it uses less cpu in everything compared to w10 21h2/22h2
     
  5. PolidelticusFire

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  6. TigTex

    TigTex MDL Senior Member

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    Ok. What about the firmware support? Does your manufacturer provide a fully compliant bios for Windows 11? (uefi 2.6 firmware specification was launched in 2016, in theory vendors could support 6th and 7th gen)

    I understand their intentions, but it's too aggressive to block the installation. I would rather have a watermark saying "unsupported platform, security compromised" than not being able to install windows 11 out of the box.
     
  7. Dark Dinosaur

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    They add lot of junk
    So system can't run well
     
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  8. Gharlane00

    Gharlane00 MDL Addicted

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    Just the notion that if Enterprise and Education versions should be required to have TPM 2.0, then all versions should.
     
  9. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    Have installed 11 on a 7 years old machine and it works just fine. It even updates with all available updates MS offers.
     
  10. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    #11 Enthousiast, Oct 15, 2023
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    It runs on all >core2duo/quad systems, and updates don't even check for the minimum system requirements.


    EDITED for that dumb... below:

    This is for the OP:

    How many threads are we going to get about this subject?
     
  11. atgpud2003

    atgpud2003 MDL Addicted

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    Oh please.. I am running MSI CR-620 (i3 core with 8GB) which unsupported CPU and no TPM 2.0 and I got work around just fine... :) Need close this threading..

    ATGPUD2003
     
  12. nosirrahx

    nosirrahx MDL Expert

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    Microsoft says your CPU is not supported != Windows X will crash on CPU Y due to CPU instruction incompatibility.
     
  13. atgpud2003

    atgpud2003 MDL Addicted

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    Well, didn't Crash my My Windows 11 since still Unsupported CPU...

    ATGPUD2003
     
  14. PolidelticusFire

    PolidelticusFire MDL Addicted

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    I believe this will change with vNext.

    Probably, a future Canary Channel build will outright refuse to install or boot with CPUs which lack Mode-Based Execution Control, or some other instruction/feature required for HVCI to work.
     
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  15. ceo54

    ceo54 MDL Addicted

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    What is it your business to tell other who they are ? Why don't you STFU?
     
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  16. nosirrahx

    nosirrahx MDL Expert

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    I'm commenting on unsupported VS. "...unsupported...".
     
  17. solarstone2149

    solarstone2149 MDL Member

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    gotta love comments about security when both w10 and 11 are pure spyware and trojan-horse in one
     
  18. TigTex

    TigTex MDL Senior Member

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    I hear that story since Windows XP was released. Don't worry with Microsoft. There are much worse companies selling your data.
    The "security" that we are talking about is how hard is to get windows 11 compromised vs windows 10. They did good with Windows 11 (if you have the right hardware).
     
  19. Jessie Pinkman

    Jessie Pinkman MDL Addicted

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    Gotta love comments that are so stupid there beyond laughable