Curious- Why does the update 3 iso's still have about 40 updates to DL

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  1. spidernz

    spidernz MDL Senior Member

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    I'm curious as to why does the update 3 iso's still have about 40 updates to download to satisfy windows update
    I understand that it come down from the 110+ off a vanilla install but why wouldn't they have it updated to include at least all updates till last month?
     

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  2. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

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    That is indeed a very good question ... but apparently (at least for me) you should ask that Microsoft :cool2:.
     
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  3. moderate

    moderate MDL Guru

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    Hmmm, how many times did MS refreshed that W8-1 MSDN ISOs?

    Am I correct saying, that there were RTM, U1 and now this 2014-12-xx one?
     
  4. EFA11

    EFA11 Avatar Guru

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    as usual, just picking a random ISO. en_windows_8.1_n_with_update_x64_dvd_6051677.iso has all dates in files/folders of 11-22-14. So all updates after these "new" iso's are from past 11-22-14. They make them, but they have to pass QC prior to being posted. As you see almost an entire month passes before the file actually goes to post.
     
  5. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

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    RTM, GA, April Update, November Update
     
  6. Lord Schuldiner

    Lord Schuldiner MDL Novice

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    May be necessary create a list of updates "Post-Update-November2014", to download by WHD, in this way we can integrate our own ISO with all updates until now. What do think about it?
     
  7. spidernz

    spidernz MDL Senior Member

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    Yeah I've asked abbodi1406 about that, hopefully he's nice enough and has time to do one :)

    I'm wondering if some of the updates need to be applied in certain orders like they were with update 2 & 3 pre iso. That was really annoying.
     
  8. MonarchX

    MonarchX MDL Expert

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    Because none of the roll-up update packasges roll up all the previous updates. If you want to have a truly fully updated Windows 8.1, you will need to download every single Windows 8.1 update ever released and starting from the very first one begin double-clocking and seeing if that update is install-able. I do advice to get the very latest Papa Murph's AIO Windows 8.1 ISO that has most of the updates already included, but not at all. Once you install that latest ISO release, use standard MS Update and get all the updates it tells you to get. Then start checking out every single update you downloaded manually for its ability to be installable. If it is possible to install - do install it! After you're done with installation all the updates, go through all of them again once more because often times some updates unlock/lock other updates. Then run MS Update again, and it will likely find some other updates to install. Do that! Then just one more time - go through all manually downloaded updates. Only and ONLY when none of the manually-downloadable updates are installable and Windows Update tells you "No Updates Available", can you consider your OS updated. It is a giant mess.

    I strongly suggest doing a clean install + do all the updates the way I described above, install the most stable drivers and some basic things, like DirectX, MS Visual C++ Redist package, NET Framework 3.5+ + all updates, MS Office if you use that + all updates, Start8 / Classic Shell, and just whatever must-have apps you can't live without. Then run Murphy's "Reset Base & Clean WinSxS" script, apply whichever tweaks you usually apply, and then get Acronis True Image 2015 and create a complete backup of your entire OS disk! Then put it somewhere safe and use it instead of clean installation of Windows for years to come! That way you will avoid days spent downloading and updating the OS! Just make sure all that tweaks you apply and all the apps, drivers you install are 100% stable and problem-free. In fact, to be absolutely sure, you can just do a clean OS install + all updates the way I described above, DirectX, MS Visual C++, NET Framework 3.5 + newer + all updates, just stop there and make an Acronis True Image 2015 backup then and there. No tweaks, no Base Resetting and no drivers + no apps = pure clean OS to be installed on.. almost any new machine!
     
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  9. Lord Schuldiner

    Lord Schuldiner MDL Novice

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    Ufff, it's a mess, it is best to leave it, and only work with the ISO recently published, perform updates manually after installation is the best way.
    Thanks for the info @MonarchX.
     
  10. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

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    That's not true
     
  11. s1ave77

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  12. MonarchX

    MonarchX MDL Expert

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    If it wasn't true, then ancient-dated updates would not be installable on :worthy: Holy Murph's most-updated ISO :worthy: install, but some of them are, and installing them make other ancient-dated updates also installable, although they were not originally installable up until you found the first ancient-dated updates that were installable. Makes sense? :D:biggrin::hug2:
     
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  13. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

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    Hopeless, just hopeless.
     
  14. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

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    #14 s1ave77, Dec 19, 2014
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    Huh ... as mostly, not sure what you're doing over there. Seems again you over-complicate things. Doing the same like murphy here myself with german WIMs and when i install them, i only get offered the usual nonsense from WU (no-one needs). Obviosly i'm not forcing any update to be installed if not needed/demanded.

    Seems in your attemps for the fastest possible system you mostly screw it due to missing knowledge/know-how(-to). As far regarding what you showed here the last time :g:.
     
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