Disabling Telemetry -- What will Microsoft's response be?

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  1. El_Heffe

    El_Heffe MDL Member

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    Microsoft spent a lot of time and effort developing all this snooping. Now that everyone is putting out scripts to disable it all, I wonder what Microsoft's response will be.
     
  2. odiebugs1

    odiebugs1 MDL Expert

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    They look at the scripts, and the software that disables it and put out patches in updates. They said they will not post what most updates are except for security fixes.
     
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  3. fkar

    fkar MDL Recognized Advisor

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    Now they are started spending lots of time on web to see what programs are coming up everyday.

    We are spending lots of time of discussing about it though :D
     
  4. odiebugs1

    odiebugs1 MDL Expert

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    Do you know how many employees they have, how much the company makes, they probably have one just for MDL, they are probably next to us ;). :p
     
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  5. GOD666

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  6. GOD666

    GOD666 MDL Expert

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    It will not end with Windows Defender. Many anti-virus and anti-malware companies have an open door policy concerning detection. As a result they often cross one another in detection list. The only difference is one will call it an apple, the other will call it an orange, but it's still all fruit.

    Another way this will happen is Microsoft may make it a requirement for those companies to keep their Microsoft Certification. Comply or else.

    This is why a lot of keygens or cracks also come up with false positives. Sure some of them may be dirty, but some of them are clean, yet all of them come up as 'unwanted' during detection.

    The fear alone is what they'll use.
     
  7. fkar

    fkar MDL Recognized Advisor

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    Adding the necessary files and programs to exclusion list will surely save us.
     
  8. GOD666

    GOD666 MDL Expert

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    Yes and No.

    Yes if you know the developer. No if you do not.

    I do not put it past them to release their own copies of the same programs and scripts into the wild, but infected. Mixing the pot. Their way of flooding the wild and then citing those who fall victim to random computer problems as another reason (excuse) on why you shouldn't try using such programs.

    It is what it is. And it's ugly all around. On one hand Microsoft is spying on you and on the other hand you will need to be more careful of what you use (which has always been true, but more so as time progresses).
     
  9. Michaela Joy

    Michaela Joy MDL Crazy Lady

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    Anti-spying scripts are following the same road as keygens and patchers. They get marked as trojans, and people in the know still use them. The truth is, some legit programs get marked as malware because of an outdated certificate. Look at Pelles C. It's been showing up as malware for years. But people still use it. And I have too.

    The anti-virus companies are only damaging their own reputations and detracting from their credibility by following these morons at Microsoft. But, they need ring 1 access to do real-time scanning. (Taking over Int 25h / Int 26h and / or Int 15H)

    MS can block them, so they have to "play the game", so to speak.

    It sucks because the user is left in a constant state of bewilderment. Who can you trust?
     
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  10. GOD666

    GOD666 MDL Expert

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    Exactly.

    To better answer the OP...

    Microsoft will play whack-a-mole in patching.
    Developers will play whack-a-mole in cracking.
    Microsoft will play whack-a-mole in false positive and releasing bad cracks themselves

    Answer: We'll all be playing whack-a-mole without the need for going to an arcade.
     
  11. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    Answer: Stop using the stupid OS
     
  12. vuze4u

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    Scripts do the things that can be done manually, blocking the scripts doesn't stop users able to disable telemetry craps.

    To ultimately doom us, they will have to make all sorts of telemetry scheme temper-proof. But doing that won't do any good to their reputation.
     
  13. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

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    Or revoke your activated system because of tempering with it :D
     
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  14. Cipher

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    I'm seriously considering giving a Linux distro a try, maybe Elementary.
    The real problem is finding alternatives to the background services and apps I use, otherwise I would have already moved. o_O

    But basically I just don't trust Microsoft anymore.
    I think American anti-terrorist laws have them by the balls in that they MUST comply and gather information on their users for the authorities.
    They are probably being gagged to how much they can actually say about it as well.
     
  15. riahc3

    riahc3 MDL Senior Member

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    Microsoft's response?

    None. Because they dont give a f**k.
     
  16. dasag

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    exactly.. Microsoft won't bother to play whack a mole with the few of us geeks at MSL who run scripts to disable telemetry.

    They probrably don't care and telemetry disabled by scripts will stay disabled.

    However.. If the millions of ordinary users started blocking communications with their servers that would adversely affect their business plan and they would certainly take action
     
  17. shanye

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    Surely this all goes to illustrate that a program such as 'Peerblock' or a OS independent firewall is of huge importance. Instead of messing with the OS, we just prevent it sending anything to Microsoft.

    We just need a way of monitoring all network traffic, displaying and logging it in an easily accessible form, and then having the option to block or not.
     
  18. Yen

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    #19 Yen, Aug 27, 2015
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    It's not w10 only.

    People uninstalled telemetry KBs from w7/w8 as well, some even have disabled WU for now manually installing KBs...

    I think M$ will notice of that, but don't care. Seriously the only real solution is to avoid M$ products as R29k said.
    They'd care when they don't get their drug=money anymore.
     
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  19. MrTweakFreak

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    I would so love to see M$ hang due to all the(ir) $h!t they come up with, but this will simply not happen (or atleast not soon). They know so many ways to get around/away with the nastiest/most controversial stuff, and people still wouldn't care.

    As for myself, i'm aware of this and try to tweak/mod the b!tch out off W10 Enterprise LTSB, but at the same time i $h!t on M$ and plan to use a different OS as main, and Win 10 only for gaming.