How do you think the North Korean crisis will develop?

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How do you think the North Korean crisis will develop?

  1. It will continue as at present, being explosive but not exploding

  2. North Korea will give in to threats and sanctions

  3. US will eat its words and put up with N.K. arming itself

  4. A compromise solution will be reached by negotiations

  5. US will attack with conventional weapons

  6. US will launch a nuclear attack

  7. Third World War will start with other superpowers joining in

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  1. Katzenfreund

    Katzenfreund MDL Expert

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    The threat from North Korea has entered a new dimension with its apparent possession of the devastating H-bomb.

    President Trump has threatened with definitive, decisive action, leaving all options open. But he’s known to go back on his words if he has to.

    At the same time, N.K. must know that they cannot face the US in a military confrontation. But it may inflict heavy losses to the US.

    Neither of the two sides seems prepared to give in or enter negotiations, while sanctions are unlikely to work

    So how do you think this unstable and critically dangerous situation will develop?
     
  2. Joe C

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    #2 Joe C, Sep 5, 2017
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    I believe that China will have to intervene at some point, whether that will be with or against the U.S. I can't say. China is an ally to N.K. and I'm sure there's a N.K. treaty with China that might be broken to keep it's financial interest at best with the U.S.

    This will be about super powers and the N.K. pimple on everybody's butt that is getting very annoying. We have to ask ourselves if China will defend the N.K. if the s**t hits the fan
     
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  3. Yen

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    I do not defend what North Korea has done.

    But we should not forget that is has been the US in the Korea war who is responsible for the damage that time and the separation into North and South.
    And it is mostly the US foreign policy in the past that is responsible for current 'issues'....North/South Korea is only one of it.

    Trump is as dangerous as Kim and it would be no surprise that he becomes involved into a war just like most republican presidents.
     
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  4. Tiger-1

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    well I think that Third World War will start with other superpowers joining in still I hope I'm wrong ;)o_O
     
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  5. Katzenfreund

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    A couple of thoughts of mine:

    Firstly, I’m surprised the US seem to have been taken by surprise. What have their intelligence services been doing? Apparently they were too busy spying on their own citizens and their allies, like Germany.

    Secondly, if the US were going to launch a major attack, it seems they waited for too long, as now they\re likely to suffer a lot more damage from an H-bomb.

    Thirdly, now that the US seem to need the support of Russia, they’ve alienated it by opening another (cold war) front against it with their sanctions. As always, American diplomacy is more aggressive than diplomatic.
     
  6. Mr.X

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    That who wins the war, dictates the politics and the way they have to be implemented.
     
  7. Yen

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    It's not about a winner.
    It's about the old enemy Socialism/Communism and 'intervention' of the US into actually anything what can be benefit for them.
    The US is known to stay a long time in foreign countries to enforce their own ideas.
    North/South Korea is actually a leftover from 2nd WW. Korea was annexed by Japan. After the capitulation of Japan (n bomb of the US) Korea had never been freed but left under siege and split.
     
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  8. dhjohns

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    The U.N. intervened in Korea because South Korea was attacked by North Korea. North Korea has been belligerent from Day One, and eventually will be eliminated.
     
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  9. ProudPirate

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    North Korea has pretty much crossed all the red lines, emboldened by the support of China. One day, USA and the western world will have to bite the bullet, swallow the bitter pill and annihilate Kim dynasty. The Korean peninsula will pay a very heavy price and almost entire Asia (East Asia, Far East Russia, China, India) might get destabilized from the geo-political fallout, but USA is running out of options.
     
  10. Yen

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    I know the version: "... because the North Koreans have 'passed the border' on 25th of July...."
    There is a lot of controversy/inconsistency about 'who' has really started the Korea war.

    Why did the US army come back? Because they wanted to enforce their version of Korea and keep it there.

    Either way they (the UN) were 80% US army and it does not justify the slaughter in No Gun Ri....

     
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  11. Joe C

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    U.S. capitalism has worked in Japan after WWII. So much so their corporate competition have even over taken many electronic companies. (Japan has the best reputation for electronics anywhere in the world) The U.S. even trades with Viet Nam today, at least that was the tag I saw on my last tee shirt I got from Wal-Mart. I personally do not think that the U.S. cares about any country being "communist" or "democratic", as long as they can produce very cheap products for it's U.S.consumers.... As long as it is not Russian. For some strange reason the U.S. has some kinda weird phobia about Russia, We deal with all other Communists countries but not Russia. I believe that China is a much larger danger to the U.S. more than Russia
     
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  12. Yen

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    Do you know the phenomenon where two neighbors are enemies for 20 years already and nobody actually knows anymore the exact reason for it?

    For me the real question is: Why has the US to butt into anything?
    They constantly need an enemy stereotype.

    The North/South Korea thing still relies on a childish who is the greatest game and the aversion against the North stands for aversion against their ex play-mate (cold war) for might games USSR.

    The USSR has left the UN Security Council as an protest against the US, because the US veto'd against the initiation of the only one year old Peoples Republic of China.

    The US authorities knew that there would be no USSR that could veto against a probable Korean conflict (war).
    One can say there were events which can suggest the war has been provoked by the US.
     
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  13. Katzenfreund

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    Russia is not a communist country. ;)
    But you're right of course about the phobia, which persists and proves that it has nothing to do with communism. The US just don't like antagonists not under their control. And I contend that this is the reason, and not communism, they don't like N.K..
     
  14. dhjohns

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    I suppose it would be much better for Kim Jong-Un to have control of all of Korea so more people can starve to death or be slaughtered like cattle. :(
     
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  15. R29k

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    Russia may not be outwardly communist but it is run like a communist country by Lord Putin Corrupter in Chief. I agree, the US is the big bully in the playground, they have been aholes for a long time tbh, and they don't want anymore bullies to threaten their position. However that whole issue died with the break up of USSR, Russia isn't a super power and I don't think China is one either. They both know this so their next plan of bringing down the USA is economically, and they are being helped along quite nicely by the warmongering Republican presidents as Yen pointed out. When the US dollar falls bye bye USA, you will see the true colours of China and Russia then !
    The Kim issue is simple, remove Kim and his cronies and unify Korea's North and South, but the devil is in the details!
     
  16. Joe C

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    Russia & China are super powers imho.
    I would not be surprised at all if China has a larger and better military than the U.S. because China has much more disposable income than the U.S. All that crap we buy mostly comes from China, so we are in effect providing the income they need to build a better military
     
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  17. Yen

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    #17 Yen, Sep 6, 2017
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    These abuses are no unique characteristics for North Korea, there are other countries , too.
    Anyway Trump tries to act like a child threatening to use weapons.

    He should get mature and answer reasonable....and he should learn that the US is no world police. North Korea is a sovereign nation. (with own issues)...
    As said it's all about an old historical thing the US shares the responsibility and guilt for current events.

    Trump does not intervene because of your posted reasons/concerns. He doesn't care about the suffering of a few North Korean citizens at all.

    It's a simple stupid might game.

    An unification would be right, but that has to be initiated from within country / the citizens and their resistance.
    The others can only be supportive from 'outside'.

    This reminds me pretty much of German history...
     
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  18. Tiger-1

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    @ Yen I agree 100%
     
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  19. Katzenfreund

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    Well said by Yen, to which I add a couple of my points (for which of course I bear the responsibility).

    Russia and China may not be as devastatingly armed as the US, but you don’t have to be able to destroy the other side 10 times over, just once (or even partially) is enough to make you just as powerful, or at least feared, in practice. Because it seems it’s fear that counts in international politics.

    Personally, I actually find Putin a more sensible and moderate politician than Trump. And let’s not forget that Putin was elected by the majority of the population, whereas Trump by the minority.

    There’s also a question as to whether there are two Koreas or just one, artificially divided. It’s much the same story as was with North and South Vietnam. Those were united and the world didn't come to an end. After all, also in the US the North fought a civil war against the South to keep the country united. Why others can’t do the same?
     
  20. Michaela Joy

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    I feel that most of this nonsense is designed to scare the masses into backing (financing) the Military Industrial Complex.
    The leaders involved are playing their part in a show being put on for the world.

    We will -not- nuke North Korea; Their terrain makes nuclear weapons all but useless.

    We will wait and see what solution the UN comes up with, and we will back the UN, as we always have.

    @Yen: This may remind you of German history, but for me, it reminds me of Vietnam.
    A failed police action waiting to start again.

    I'm sad to say that history seems to repeat itself, because of lessons not learned.
     
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