Is Reality an Illusion ?

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Is Reality an Illusion ?

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  1. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    #1 R29k, Feb 12, 2016
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    When you consider the absolute weirdness of Quantum Mechanics and the phenomena of wave function collapse. It really makes you question how real is this reality we experience. There is a nice documentary that summarizes a lot of ideas. Would be very interested to hear opinions on this topic.

    Nice article



    The original video was removed from youtube for some reason, I replaced it with this one !



     
  2. CHEF-KOCH

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    #2 CHEF-KOCH, Feb 23, 2016
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    Isn't it funny that such simple question(s) are mostly very complex? :eek:
     
  3. kaljukass

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    Poll: Is Reality an Illusion ? It is fantastic question.
    Is reality and illusion now re-defined and acquired a new meaning?
    And if, then when and where it happened. Haven't heard nothing.
     
  4. ausernamenoonehas

    ausernamenoonehas MDL Member

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    Reality isn't an illusion, it is a subset of a much larger reality beyond our dimensional awareness.
     
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  5. LiteOS

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    mb or mb the Reality we see is not the true Reality, the true Reality in our self
     
  6. Immortal_Wombat

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    Reality is what surrounds us whether there is anything beyond it or not. Reality is the unbroken absoluteness of everything from the very smallest to the very largest, whether finite or infinite, it's all real.

    What matters is what matters to us. The only thing that makes anything matter is how it affects those who experience it. We are the only thing that differentiates objects or phenomena into discrete concepts like "planet" or "green", the perceiver defines the resolution of reality, without a perceiver things like time, distance, mass are all meaningless.
     
  7. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    So if it's a microcosm then where do the layers end ?
     
  8. joeyjoey

    joeyjoey MDL Novice

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    quantum physics is fascinating. ill try to watch the vid when i get time
     
  9. ausernamenoonehas

    ausernamenoonehas MDL Member

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    First you must quantify if it is indeed a microcosm ....
     
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  10. JFKI

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    Before the end of the macrocosm, which is uncomprehendably large. ;)
     
  11. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    Well from your description and your use of the word "subset".

    Would be hilarious if the Maya illusion was real, but when you wake up you end up in another illusion.
     
  12. ausernamenoonehas

    ausernamenoonehas MDL Member

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    I see where your coming from but I meant larger in a dimensional sense. Our "plain of existence" consists of three dimensions plus time which are measurable.

    Ever had a dream you wake up from, only to find your still dreaming? I haven't, but I've heard stories of people who have, so I guess that would be very much like the Maya Illusion in a way. Kinda creeps me out ...
     
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  13. JFKI

    JFKI MDL Expert

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    Yes.

    Me too, especially when I am several "layers" deep in sleep.
    Thankfully that does not happen often.... Or does it ?
     
  14. sid_16

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    At a very basic level, "measuring a particle makes its wave-function collapse" because conservation of energy demands it, that is sometimes referred to as the 'Born rule' after the physicist Max Born. So the idea of collapse is not justified by the foundations of QM, it is actually part of the foundations.

    The Born rule says something to the effect of: With any measurement you can make there is associated a unique mathematical function called an operator, that has associated with it a range of mathematical objects called eigenvectors that correspond to some of the possible states of the system, and associated to each eigenvector is a unique real number called an eigenvalue corresponding to possible results you might get from your measurement. When you make the measurement, the system state changes to be a state that corresponds to one of the eigenvectors, and the result you get from your measurement will be the eigenvalue associated with that eigenvector.

    A subatomic particle in flight has many potential values for position and momentum, each with a certain probability. This probability density is represented by the wave function.

    However, when the particle interacts with a detector (e.g striking a silver nitrate molecule on a photographic plate, or a silicon atom in a CCD detector, for example), there is an actual position and actual momentum which acts on the detector (e.g to decompose the silver nitrate molecule, or kick an electron into the conduction band, in this example). This interaction uses the energy represented by the wave function.

    You cannot have both the actual energy dissipated in the detector, and retain the potential energy represented by the wave function - which could then strike a different part of the detector and cause changes there too. Conservation of energy forbids it.

    Therefore, interaction of the wave function with an observer/detector causes the wave function to collapse.
     
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  15. sid_16

    sid_16 MDL Giveaway Organiser

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    Truth/Reality is absolute. It is our perception of truth which is subjective.
    Absolute (philosophy)
    The Absolute is the concept of an unconditional reality which transcends limited, conditional, everyday existence. It is sometimes used as an alternate term for "God" or "the Divine", especially, but by no means exclusively, by those who feel that the term "God" lends itself too easily to anthropomorphic presumptions. The concept of The Absolute may or may not (depending on one's specific doctrine) possess discrete will, intelligence, awareness or even a personal nature. It is sometimes conceived of as the source through which all being emanates. It contrasts with finite things, considered individually, and known collectively as the relative. As such, the word "Absolute" signifies a negative concept: non-relative, non-comparative, or without relation to anything else. This is reflected in its Latin origin absolūtus which means "loosened from" or "unattached."

    We perceive the outside world with our 5 senses. And by now we know to some extent how our senses work. Our senses can only sense certain parameters of the environment and create a feeling in the mind in response to the sensory input. What we sense and feel and what is outside are not same.

    For example when we observe the bursting of a cracker we see a flash and hear an explosion. But in reality the cracker produced only some high energy photons and air waves. The flash and the sound are what we feel in our mind when our brain/ body system processes those inputs. So our observation of the flash and sound are subjective products of an entirely different input. If we further analyze those waves we find they are composed of more complex things.

    Such, being the case how can we say, what we observe are absolute truths? Our observations can only be the subjective interpretations of certain aspects of the universe.
     
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  16. moon510

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    #16 moon510, Feb 26, 2016
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    Our perception of reality is illusory. All that we deal with is our ideas about things. anything from the outside that we see , touch or hear becomes an idea in our mind, and we take the idea for reality and it is just a replica of the real. It's tricky to catch our mind "creating" its reality. TThat which is happening during our waking state is no different from what happens while dreaming in sleep. Mind is doing its thing all the time.
     
  17. zen45

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    we are climbing a ladder, where the ladder began who knows ? we live we die we don't remember the past but we imagine the future ! with each generation we advance in knowledge we go further and faster into the future with what goal to see god or to become gods :mushy:
     
  18. Is Reality an Illusion ... then I would be Neo (The Matrix) ;)

    Only me satoshin!
     
  19. R29k

    R29k MDL GLaDOS

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    Never played a 4x game have you ?
     
  20. QuantumBug

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    #20 QuantumBug, Mar 2, 2016
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    Remove the word "reality" from existence then question why you hear, feel, taste, see, etc. Reality based on illusion is a bad concept.

    Words are meaningless, they're just an imprint of how our knowledge extends to explain things as best we can.

    I would agree more, that we know a f****** massive amount less about the universe than stated. Other planes of reality cross into our existence all the time and I bet some other world similar to ours thinks the same thing billions of light years away.
     
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