issue bad hard drive, cloning

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  1. christian666

    christian666 MDL Senior Member

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    Hi Everyone,

    Here is the issue, computer with windows 7 has a bad hard drive, or at least is on its way out.
    Its taking a very long time to boot.
    The hard drive is a mechanical 320 GB

    Here is what I attempt to do.

    Upgrade the 320GB hard drive to an ssd 500 GB

    Cloning the 320 GB hd to ssd

    now will also cloning carry the issue that mechanical hd is falling or about to fail, like will it copy the bad sector or sectors


    Thank you for all your advise.
     
  2. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller MDL Spinning Tortoise

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    Ideally, you already should have a backup of your data. However, we don't live in an ideal world, so, I won't throw any stones.
    Of course, that HDD can fail at any time. You should stop using it and clone it as soon as possible, as errors will increase over time.
    Even if it reports bad sectors when cloning, continue, for getting back as much data as possible. Any repair attempts should be done after cloning, as the clone can act as a backup, should the drive fail completely.
    In case of any errors in system files, you might need to do a repair install, or even install fresh.
     
  3. christian666

    christian666 MDL Senior Member

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    Any recommendation on clone software?

    recommendation 2-bay offline cloning devices? like sabrent
     
  4. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller MDL Spinning Tortoise

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    For some SSD brands, they will provide cloning software for migrating to newer and bigger drives. Example: Western Digital provides Acronis True image WD Edition, and Seagate offers the Seagate Disk Wizard. Other brands might have similar software.

    My last cloning was done with HDClone, but there are other vendors with free editions of their cloning suites (EASEUS, Macrium, MiniTool etc.). Enough for a simple cloning.

    Do your cloning "cold", from a live disc/OS, but not from within the running OS.
     
  5. christian666

    christian666 MDL Senior Member

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    so.... I had a couple of failures trying to clone the mechanical hd to SSD(I had an external drive, where both the source and target drive where, and a diff comp doing the process )

    I notice

    So I did a chckdsk and

    chksk /f /r /x function on the drive



    then

    I go these two report cause I ran the function in different days

    First run.....

    Chkdsk was executed in scan mode on a volume snapshot.


    Checking file system on C:

    Volume label is OS.


    Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...

    Attribute record of type 0x80 and instance tag 0x4 is cross linked

    starting at 0x118eeda for possibly 0x9a clusters.

    Found corrupt basic file structure for "\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Windows Live\.cache\62d7b0731ccee103a\d-WLXSuiteLang.msp <0x1,0xb5a5>"

    was not able to send command for self-healing due to lack of memory.


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    Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...

    Some clusters occupied by attribute of type 0x80 and instance tag 0x4

    in file 0xb5a5 is already in use.

    Deleting corrupt attribute record (0x80, "")

    from file record segment 0xB5A5.

    "chkdsk /scan" is aborting due to self-healing command failure: 0xc0000102

    "chkdsk /f" will be required to repair the volume.





    second run ....


    Chkdsk was executed in scan mode on a volume snapshot.


    Checking file system on C:

    Volume label is OS.


    Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...

    638464 file records processed. File verification completed.

    Phase duration (File record verification): 1.65 minutes.

    12593 large file records processed. Phase duration (Orphan file record recovery): 0.00 milliseconds.

    0 bad file records processed. Phase duration (Bad file record checking): 6.53 milliseconds.


    Stage 2: Examining file name linkage ...

    4350 reparse records processed. 835526 index entries processed. Index verification completed.

    Phase duration (Index verification): 3.47 minutes.


    Phase duration (Orphan reconnection): 4.13 seconds.


    Phase duration (Orphan recovery to lost and found): 35.08 milliseconds.

    4350 reparse records processed. Phase duration (Reparse point and Object ID verification): 48.42 milliseconds.


    Stage 3: Examining security descriptors ...

    Security descriptor verification completed.

    Phase duration (Security descriptor verification): 327.00 milliseconds.

    98532 data files processed. Phase duration (Data attribute verification): 2.59 milliseconds.

    CHKDSK is verifying Usn Journal...

    34747352 USN bytes processed. Usn Journal verification completed.

    Phase duration (USN journal verification): 2.54 seconds.


    Windows has scanned the file system and found no problems.

    No further action is required.


    124504535 KB total disk space.

    105521316 KB in 284323 files.

    233364 KB in 98533 indexes.

    747203 KB in use by the system.

    65536 KB occupied by the log file.

    18002628 KB available on disk.


    4096 bytes in each allocation unit.

    31126133 total allocation units on disk.

    4500657 allocation units available on disk.

    Total duration: 5.25 minutes (315069 ms).


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    Stage 1: Examining basic file system structure ...


    Stage 2: Examining file name linkage ...


    Stage 3: Examining security descriptors ...
     
  6. christian666

    christian666 MDL Senior Member

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    I noticed that the hd is set up as following
     

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    christian666 MDL Senior Member

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    update : so OM using acronis true image so attempt to clone the drive.

    However I found an error.


    I feel that I'm running out of options....
     

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  8. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller MDL Spinning Tortoise

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    The data inside the bad clusters is possibly lost. Ignore the errors for getting as much data copied as possible. Documents, pictures etc. It's too late for a perfect clone, sorry.

    The OS must be reinstalled anyway, it's likely corrupt beyond repair.
     
  9. christian666

    christian666 MDL Senior Member

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    the picture attached has 4 partition

    25 GB
    118 GB named os
    510 MB
    153 GB named data

    student question ? but.....
    which of the partitions contains the operating system from where I can re install the w10? is it the recovery ?

    will the following be possible?

    clone the recovery partitions and use it to reinstall the OS?

    if that is possible them.... how I will go about installing the os w10?

    I have the serial number key on the bottom of laptop

    but

    it original came w7.... so that is a different key that originally has....

    I have w10 somewhere.... installing will not be an issue ...except

    that w10 from what I have is not like and oem so the activation will be a hurtle

    Important to mention the following

    HD is booting normally so there is a big change that will be recover all the important files directly from the hard drive.

    Can I do an image of the failing hd and use that one the hd?

    also I ran , disk utility on the failing hard drive and is not finding anything

    at the moment using the failing hard drive externally and running

    cmd

    chkdsk /r

    hopefully this will do magic

    Sorry for the millions questions...
     

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  10. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller MDL Spinning Tortoise

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    Do the clone as soon as possible, damaged HDDs (especially 2.5" laptop ones) have a change to become completely dead, eventually. Why laptop ones? They usually run hotter and can't dissipate heat as good as their big brothers.

    The Recovery partition from your OEM is probably the first one. As it originally came with 7, the OEM partition would reset the device to Windows 7.
    The 510MB partition is labeled Recovery Partition, but it is too small to hold a local OS image, so it will likely restore over the Internet.

    The Data one should be where your personal files etc. are. Definitely one to backup.

    All in all, better to use an external media to reinstall Windows 7 on the new drive. Use Windows Loader to reestablish the activation. Then, upgrade to Windows 10, it will stay activated.
     
  11. shhnedo

    shhnedo MDL Expert

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    Right...
    OP, please don't.
     
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  12. christian666

    christian666 MDL Senior Member

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    this is interesting ..... I have done this many years ago.... I do get some data back.... however is a pain in @$$$

    rule of thumb.... if you HD is falling.... immediately retrieved all information as possible.