[DISCUSSION] Microsoft Edge

Discussion in 'Application Software' started by SAM-R, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. hoak

    hoak MDL Member

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    #2201 hoak, Feb 17, 2020
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    This browser is an epic dog in every way and as Thom Holwerda of OSnews remarked: "The more advertising and preinstalled junkware Microsoft shoves into Windows 10, the more the otherwise decent operating system turns into a user-hostile joke."

    Credge is the junkware poster child for everything wrong Microsoft has been doing with and to their consumer OS that will ultimately cost them dearly. It may be a lower cost path to the future, allow them to gather more data faster an on the cheap, but it's a pig in a pigs suit, with lipstick on its ass offering a free smooch -- and anyone dumb enough to do it gets what they deserve.

    Microsoft used to innovate, heck Edge was innovataive: fast since the rough early alphas and has been a performance leader and not by small amounts since, even in its poorly supported state it still beats the living snot out of all other browsers on many important benchmarks using vastly less in the way of system resources while accomplishing that feat, remains arguably more secure than most (innovative sandboxing), and runs on every hardware platform.

    Credge by contrast is bloated, really bloated -- not merely a larger install than virutally all other browsers it's more of a resource pig as well (all that sneeky telemetry takes up space and sucks on the resource pipe doing s**t in the background you probably don't want), its benchmark performance is hoplessly below average, and the interface is an obtuse disorganized mess that breaks all the Windows 10 User Interface Guidelines and is front end of a pig ass with lipstick ugly and stupid.

    It's also about as secure as Internet Explorer making the last reason any reasonable person might want to install it a complete non-starter. If Microsoft keeps this up Firefox might end up being the most popular (and practical) browser. It's absolutely astounding that a company with the resources of Microsoft actually thinks this is a credible effort.
     
  2. kaljukass

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  3. hoak

    hoak MDL Member

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    #2203 hoak, Feb 17, 2020
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    You're confused, have a very unique definitions for "long" (or are a very slow reader) "emotional" (or are a hysterical millennial), "fairy tale" (read it again), and "content".

    Do the math on Credge yourself, benchmark Credge, it's easy -- even you can do it, look at what a CPU and memory pig it is running any benchmark, look at it's installed size, then run wire shark and report back. There are a dozen Chrome derivative browsers that do it all better brought to you buy Developers that don't have even a tiny fraction of the resources of Microsoft has to bring to this.

    It warrants repeating because it's true: it's absolutely astounding that a company with the resources of Microsoft actually thinks this is a credible effort, and it's as appalling as it is astounding that there are people listless and naive enough to shill for this abortion of a product.
     
  4. mx22p3

    mx22p3 MDL Novice

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    What web browser do you recommend?
     
  5. Dude Guyman

    Dude Guyman MDL Senior Member

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    Um...because Microsoft? There was no option what-so-ever to skip installing the updater? No option to remove it or turn it off after either. It is just part of the 'program'. That is like saying, "Why not just install Windows without Windows update if you don't want it". Because you can't! It doesn't matter to me, I am not going to use Edge after checking it out, but someone asked how to control updates a bit and that was the only way I saw to do so.

    This was Edge Business/Enterprise, if that makes a difference.
     
  6. hoak

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    #2206 hoak, Feb 17, 2020
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    That would depend entirely on your prioprites and needs; what do you need and are you concerned about? Are you using a laptop and concerned about battery life? Are you concerned about 'click & accept ' agreements that are legally binding and allow the owner of the IP to sell any and all data collected about you to other parties? Are you using a resource constrained system or a system where resources used by a web browser must be constrained? Do you need the features of specific page render engine and/or plugins available for it? Are you concerned about privacy and security or is your system disposable?

    Virtually all Chrome deravitive browsers do nearly everything better than Microsoft's Credge, and one or more things profoundly better: SWare Iron has no telemetry and is a lot lighter weight, faster and more secure, Vivaldi is just as fast or faster than Credge but has a highly configurable interface that's much more congruent with Windows 10 interface design guidelines, and will offer most people a much better user experience -- but there are literally hundreds of others, including custom builds of Chrome that focus on very specific things.

    If you don't feel a need for the Google eco system, or like many want to avoid it completely for security and privacy -- then Mozillla browsers based on Gecko and Quantum engines like Firefox, Pale Moon, Comodo IceDragon and K-Melon have a lot to offer, are FOSS with audited code, and no spyware like all Microsoft products do now.

    Then there are the more esoteric browsers and browser wrappers like Lunascape, Maxthon, GreenBrowser, Tungsten that either run multiple or older render engines like Trident with a modern wrapper, plug-in support and security features -- at my last count a year ago, there are over three hundred of just this browser variety alone.

    Lastly, if you like speed, and are just using the internet to read, study, learn and process information, nothing beats textmode browsers like: W3M, Links, eLinks or Lynx for unsurpassed speed, security, and making web pages easy to read and process as legible text -- as all images, advertising, scripts, video, pop-ups, inline pop-ups, and crap spying and exploits are completely obviated.

    A little research will show there are literally thousands of options, but to narrow it to a generic recommendations for Windows Users I'd recommend installing three, and learning to use them all effectively to get safely out of a hazardous rut of lassitude from too much familiarity, expectation, and being exploited by commercial interests:

    Vivaldi for most things as it's what Credge ultimately aspires to be, but can never achieve due to conflict of interest and duplicitous goals. Firefox or any Firefox derivative to learn this FOSS browser's features, capability and interface so you have a real 'Get Out Of Hell' option always available, and W3M, where you'll have to install and use WSL as well, but will be introduced to another way to look at and use the internet that's more along the lines of what was originally intended where browsers and the web are tools to be used by you rather than what is the more common case today, where the browser and web are merely a vehicle for passive entertainment, marketing, advertising and tools for other parties to do data collecting commodifying you...
     
  7. kaljukass

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  8. TShadow

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    Seems that the "-enable-features=ExtensionsToolbarMenu" does not anymore work. It's still available in Chrome flags.
     
  9. Konstantinos

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    Any useful and not-so-buggy flags I could enable?
     
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  10. boyonthebus

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    5 tabs open -- 0% CPU and 247 MB of RAM. This browser is definitely a resource pig. :fear:
     
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  11. kaljukass

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  12. hoak

    hoak MDL Member

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    He's also delusional... :D
     
  13. boyonthebus

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  14. nosirrahx

    nosirrahx MDL Expert

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    Is there anyone else using Chromium Edge on a 4K monitor? I am not sure if it is intentional or a side effect of not scaling for 4K but the home icons are really small on a level that does not look intentional.
     
  15. kaljukass

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  17. nosirrahx

    nosirrahx MDL Expert

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    No it just looks broken to me. Why reserve a tile that size only to use a tiny fraction for the icon? If that is intentional its kind of a stupid use of space.
     
  18. boyonthebus

    boyonthebus MDL Expert

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    Ya know...I originally had the task manager posted, but I wanted to be more informative. Despite all the numbers I have found the new Edge to be extremely fast and reliable.
     
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