More proof that Microsoft Windows Defender / MSE suck badly

Discussion in 'Application Software' started by ian82, Apr 27, 2013.

Thread Status:
Not open for further replies.
  1. ian82

    ian82 MDL Expert

    Mar 7, 2012
    1,147
    302
    60
    #1 ian82, Apr 27, 2013
    Last edited: May 5, 2013
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  2. Niekess

    Niekess MDL Addicted

    Mar 31, 2011
    833
    548
    30
    Currently installed Bitdefender while running before that Windows Defender and my first thought on it is that Windows Defender isn't bad. Bitdefender is not finding any virus or problems inside my computer. And I'm using it for months already.

    So people who do use Windows Defender or MSE are safe.. ;)
     
  3. ian82

    ian82 MDL Expert

    Mar 7, 2012
    1,147
    302
    60
    I've had it infect my small sister's computer badly just 4 months bad and everytime I clicked remove the viruses, it would say it removed them then pop up another message saying it found them again.

    the worse thing is, they weren't actually viruses just a few keygens that I know 100% are safe so they were false positives that it failed to even delted.

    I checked those files on Virus Total and they are false positives
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  4. CODYQX4

    CODYQX4 MDL Developer

    Sep 4, 2009
    4,801
    44,845
    150
    Honestly I used to install AV just to shut Windows up, a user who knows what they are doing won't install the toolbar + animated cursor trojans.

    I didn't want to just disable the warning.

    As far as a government/powerful organization trying to hack you with a zero day, you are probably owned either way.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  5. Swift Flamingo

    Swift Flamingo MDL Novice

    Jan 6, 2013
    2
    1
    0
    I only use it because it is on Windows 8 by default, I know what to look for and scan almost all files I download, so I don't worry too much.
     
  6. Weedy

    Weedy MDL Member

    Mar 9, 2011
    205
    69
    10
    I have little to no faith in these test results.

    They rank AVG quite high up the list, and I know this to be obviously untrue. Years ago when AVG came out, yes, it was the dogs dangly bits. But now, every time I come across it, the pc it's on either has viruses or has crawled to a snail's pace. AVG is total crap, and for them to list it above many others is complete balls to me.

    Having worked in computer repair doing virus removals all day, I can tell you the only PC's that come in with viruses on them (where the AV is still turned on and active) are webroot, AVG, McAffee, and Norton. They are the absolute worst offenders and any 'review' trying to tell me otherwise can take a funny walk.

    I've only ever come across 1 laptop that had MSE and malware, and a quick MBAM scan sorted that out. I've seen MSE detect a live threat more than once on various people's computers, so I have no doubt as to it's ability. And every single time that I deal with files that are less than legit, MSE has quarantined them because I forgot to shut MSE down first.
     
  7. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

    Jul 29, 2009
    6,636
    1,916
    210
    I didn't use any AV apps installed. If I really need, I just download the latest Free Cure It from FreeDrWeb and that's it! On the other hand I've an old 486 running the Free Smoothwall Express as Hardware Firewall between the Modem (WAN) and Network (LAN) which is configured to let only packages come in to specific machine and on specific ports. I also have an older Pentium 4 configured as DMZ to which everything goes which isn't allowed to reach my normal network. In Smoothwall I could configure as many NIC Card as possible/Slots I've so that P4 has it's own NIC which is separated from my LAN.

    Don't need anything more. All defenders and Firewalls in all Windows machines are switched of which has free quite a lot resources with the effect that Windows is just running better and more smooth! At my home, where am I now, I had the last Virus more than 3 years ago (before Smoothwall) and in My office nearly 2 years and that was an infection coming from an customers laptop.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  8. CRA2YHAVOK

    CRA2YHAVOK MDL Senior Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    460
    155
    10
    I used MSE since it first was released, it served me well but finally ditched it last month for Avast 8 which I'm liking a lot more :)
     
  9. CODYQX4

    CODYQX4 MDL Developer

    Sep 4, 2009
    4,801
    44,845
    150
    Hm, I've always liked NIS (though pre 2009 versions raped your PC for resources), but AVG sucks and McAffe is the most worthless crap of AV I am aware of.

    How do you feel about ESET Smart Security?
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  10. MrMagic

    MrMagic MDL Guru

    Feb 13, 2012
    5,702
    3,704
    180
    You need proof that they suck ? :biggrin5:

    Thought it was common knowledge
     
  11. Weedy

    Weedy MDL Member

    Mar 9, 2011
    205
    69
    10
    I've sold, installed, tried to uninstall all the following... I'll list next to them what I think.

    Norton - Oh god no... get it off the PC. It is all round crap. Slows pc's down, doesn't detect malware, and most of the time will say its up to date when its months and months since any sort of update (this is with a live and up to date subscription, which makes it even worse). Will 100% leave files on pc after removal.
    McAfee - Same as Norton, but doesn't slow down the PC as badly. Still very crap.
    Webroot - The AV part is not as bad as the two above (although still below average), but the software firewall included is diabolical.
    AVG - years ago, it used to be really good. I used it for years. Now it slows the pc (not as bad as norton) and the detection rates aren't great. Also very intrusive to every day use of PC. Worse than Norton in that when you run the installer, 90% of the time it won't do anything. You'll 'uninstall' it, but at next reboot, there it is. It's so bad that AVG provide a tool on their website just to remove it from your PC.
    Trend - Not bad at all. Never seen a PC with malware on it while this is installed. Easy to remove, doesn't slow the PC down, but the always online aspect of it... the 'cloud' antivirus kinda strikes me as a scam from the way the Trend Rep explained it. I haven't really looked into it tho, and people I worked with said it was great.
    Kaspersky - Best paid all in one package for the general consumer I've come across. Can be a little intrusive when installed on XP, but I doubt there's anything it won't detect.
    Avira - Reasonable protection, but it's so user unfriendly with it's constant popups. It just gets on your tits after about a day.
    Avast - I've had bad experiences with this. Not too user friendly interface, and I've seen it let malware through. Would avoid.
    PC Tools - Hahahahahahahaha, you're kidding right?
    MBAM - Best Antimalware I've ever seen. Would never be without it.
    MSE - Reasonable detection rate, but as said above, I've also seen situations where something got through. More cases of it detecting and fixing the problem than not. Very light on resources, very easy to use, easy to get rid of.
    Eset - Similar to Kaspersky. Good all rounder, but more expensive than kaspersky in general.

    I know there are a bunch of other AV's out there, but I don't have personal experience with them, so would not like to comment.
     
  12. ramamohan

    ramamohan MDL Novice

    Nov 2, 2012
    5
    0
    0
    I am sure you would have tried Bit-defende:confused:r. Kaspersky sucked the life of my system:mad:, shifted to ESET, costed my kidney:shutup:. Now running Bit-defender:).
     
  13. ian82

    ian82 MDL Expert

    Mar 7, 2012
    1,147
    302
    60
    I have a 3 year license for both NOD32 and Bitdefender AV Plus 2013

    I am using NOD32 at the moment but why do you say that Eset costed you your kidney? please share your experience in detail I'd like to hear that maybe I should stop using it
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  14. edee

    edee MDL Novice

    May 6, 2011
    48
    20
    0
    You know if it didn't test so horrendous and at least get certification I would probably use it, I used it when it first came and I got hit with a drive by virus that MSE let skip right on through to my system without any notification whatsoever, I had to tear the hair out of my head removing this thing with 3rd party tools.

    Another thing is that it's virus/trojan/malware removal score is well below some of the worst free antivirus softwares, who in the hell wants an antivirus that is oing to tell you "hey dude, I found something nasty on your system but I can't remove it" and have to use 3rd party tools to get rid of the simplest of malware or viruses....... not me, no thanks.

    Now since MSE cannot bring their software to even get certified I will not even consider it, because no mater how safe you surf "things happen", we all know and have experienced it.

    I know that there are those here that will swear by MSE but just because you surf, download etc. and your MSE comes up with nothing DOES NOT MEAN it's doing it's job.

    Right now, using ANYTHING ELSE but MSE would be better, using MSE is almost as bad as surfing with nothing at all.
     
  15. edee

    edee MDL Novice

    May 6, 2011
    48
    20
    0
    I think he meant that Eset COSTED him a kidney, while Eset Nod 32 or any other of Eset's products are some of the best, they are NOT cheap. It's a good security solution to have but not every home user can afford it's cost.
     
  16. zen45

    zen45 MDL Senior Member

    Feb 25, 2010
    315
    296
    10
    I have been using Kaspersky internet security for about 4 years now and it works good for me and its cheap enough if you know where to get it from ;)
    if you buy it from walmart or bestbuy it costs between $60 to 90 usd but if you get it from Costco online its $19.95 3 putters for 1 year so it pays to shop around when looking for a good buy :biggrin:
     
  17. ian82

    ian82 MDL Expert

    Mar 7, 2012
    1,147
    302
    60
    you took the words out of my mouth! very good post and I totally agree with you.

    People using MSE *think* they are safe because obviously it's not telling them there is a virus or anything wrong but who knows what's going on in their system?

    One time, I was on my small sister's computer and she called me telling she had MSE installed and it keeps popping up a message, so I checked and it was nagging about the MS Toolkit (Activator for Windows/Office) where we know it's a false positive.

    So I said ok no problem, I clicked on the DELETE button to get rid of it since I didn't need it on her computer. It looked like it deleted it...next...a min. later...pops up the same message...over and over again....

    you see my point? it failed to even delete a simple activator that is a *false positive* just imagine how it would handle a nasty virus

    nuff said
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  18. ian82

    ian82 MDL Expert

    Mar 7, 2012
    1,147
    302
    60
    ahhh ok, no need to uninstall it then I have a free 3 year license gifted to me by ESET for showing them a vulnerability on their website that allowed any person to steal someone else's license could by just knowing their email address :yeahyeah::busted_blue:
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  19. CODYQX4

    CODYQX4 MDL Developer

    Sep 4, 2009
    4,801
    44,845
    150
    How is it (Bitdefender)? I noticed it is consistently near the top in test, but I never ran into a PC with it.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  20. =)(=

    =)(= Guest

    I tried Bitdefender Windows 8 Secuiry. It was ok but I had problems enabling exclusion on a folder because it kept detecting it and also sometimes I could not restore a file from quarantine because it re quarantines it after clicking restore.

    But they are fast to remove any FP after reporting it on their forums. :thumbsup:

    Maybe it is better to use another AV that has bitdefender engine + some other engine for even better detection rate.