New system - Which Activation method should I use?

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  1. Duckz

    Duckz MDL Novice

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    I'm sorry if this question has been asked and answered a million times already. I performed a search and couldn't find anything relevant relating to my question.

    I am expecting my parts for a new system within the next day or 2. In which, contains Asus' brand new P6X58D Premium motherboard.

    I am presuming because it's brand new, it already has this "SLIC 2.1" that I keep reading about.

    I will be installing MICROSOFT.WINDOWS.7.ULTIMATE.RTM.X64.RETAIL.ENGLISH.DVD-WZT, but I also have access to Microsoft.Windows.7.ULTIMATE.x64.Integrated.December.2009.OEM.DVD-BIE.

    Firstly, which copy of Windows above, should I install. I'm leaning towards the copy that is completely untouched. Does the BIE release just have a loader intergrated? And do loaders slow down the startup process of your computer?

    Secondly, I have already downloaded various Loaders etc. (All latest versions). Which Loader, if any, would be best to use?

    And lastely, I've read that the Loaders emulate a SLIC 2.1 bios by loading it onto the RAM during bootup or something like that. Where as the SLIC Mod option adds information to the BIOS itself. Is this correct? Does it actually add information to the BIOS. And if so, can I remove it if I need to later on?

    Sorry again for these noob questions :rolleyes:

    Maybe a "Noobs look here" thread could be handy :p ;)
     
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  2. secr9tos

    secr9tos MDL Addicted

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    #2 secr9tos, Jan 6, 2010
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    Take a look here
     
  3. Phazor

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    No, it wont, since its not a OEM-PC mainboard. If you want a SLIC in the BIOS youre going to have to flash a modded one.

    And you are right in doing so. Never ever ever use a scene-release or otherwise touched image. Use original MS images only!

    Correct, and no, a loader wont touch your BIOS. And yes, most if not all of the ones supported on this site have an option to uninstall. DAZs is probably the most advanced right now, so you might want to try this one first. He is also here to answer any questions in case you run into any trouble...
     
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  4. Duckz

    Duckz MDL Novice

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    Thanks very much for your help.
     
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  5. Andrew180

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    yeah i would also go with untouched ISO + (if u don't want to risk) Daz's loader or Hazar's RemoveWAT. but i would surely go with BIOS mod+cert+key.
     
  6. Duckz

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    #6 Duckz, Jan 6, 2010
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    Ok, I'm leaning more towards a BIOS mod as from what I'm reading, it seems to be flawless and will never make Windows deactivate.

    I've found the modded BIOS for my new motherboard:
    http://forums.mydigitallife.net/posts/208207433

    So this is the exact same BIOS as what can be downloaded from the Asus website, but has the Asus SLIC 2.1 table added to it. Is that correct? Then when I have Windows up and running, I have to install the Asus Cert and SLP, and then it's all done?
     
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  7. Stool

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    slic+ cert+oem key
     
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    #8 The.Watcher, Jan 6, 2010
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    You're bang on the money. When you install just use the right key, and then insert the CERT ;)
     
  9. Duckz

    Duckz MDL Novice

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    I probably won't have the Modded BIOS done before I install Windows. Is this a problem?

    During Windows install, do I install without a CD Key as stated in the Repository thread, or do I need to install Windows with a specific key, seeing as how I will be adding the information to the BIOS?
     
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  10. Andrew180

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    #10 Andrew180, Jan 6, 2010
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    No it's not a problem, you will have 30 days to take care of it :).
    Installation without a key. Then using one of these Andy's tools SLIC 2.1 table insertion to your BIOS. I recommend u to use DELL. Then flashing BIOS with modded one. Cert and key installation manually read here or with this tool. Done!

    I recommend you to carefully read the whole Official Windows 7 Guide. Then you should be able to understand everything.
     
  11. billbo

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    #11 billbo, Jan 7, 2010
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    using the loader process, clarification

    so to further clarify, when going from xp on a purchased asus mb (which does not have a slic entry) using the loader method ... at the point in the install process where you're prompted to enter a product key ... what does the os require you do? ... would that be to enter the 90 trial activation key?

    then ... i'm guessing this win 7 loader only works on a win 7 os after the installation process has been completed?

    if so it appears you enter your respective mb info and ... it creates a valid product key for you?


    regarding the potential bios mod ... i'm running the asus p5k ... can someone point me to one of the appropriate posts on upgrading it while i continue scouring thru the posts ... just to verify that i end up looking at the correct info, would be greatly appreciated thks.
     
  12. Rosco

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    #12 Rosco, Jan 7, 2010
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    Don't install ANY key during install - no matter what type of activation you choose later including your legal key if you have one.

    ALWAYS - try before you buy!!!

    Activating later is easy and there are plenty of help references on these forums.

    You can rearm Windows 3 times by opening an Administrator Command Prompt and entering -

    slmgr -rearm

    If you do this every thirty days you can run Windows legally for 120 Days without activating.

    The loader does 3 things

    1. It sets itself up to run before Windows and provides a fake SLIC table which windows reads during bootup.
    2. It installs a certificate to match the SLIC table.
    3. It installs an OEM key to match the version of Windows installed eg Ultimate.

    With these 3 things properly installs Windows "thinks" it is installed legally on an OEM machine and activates itself offline and never refers to the online activation servers.
     
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  13. billbo

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    having never used a loader i'm pretty sure i'm not quite clear on what it does or not quite understanding what i'm reading about what they do to activate the os. can you shed some light on what part it plays in activating the os assuming you don't have a purchased key?
     
  14. Bundy714

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    #14 Bundy714, Jan 7, 2010
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    Answered right above you:

    The loader does 3 things

    1. It sets itself up to run before Windows and provides a fake SLIC table which windows reads during bootup.
    2. It installs a certificate to match the SLIC table.
    3. It installs an OEM key to match the version of Windows installed eg Ultimate.

    With these 3 things properly installs Windows "thinks" it is installed legally on an OEM machine and activates itself offline and never refers to the online activation servers.

    And it's all explained on the first page of The Official Windows 7 Repository.

    Excuse me if english isn't your first language, but the answers are right in front of you. I really don't know how to explain it any easier. Perhaps you don't understand what OEM means, it's Original Equipment Manufacturer, and that means the big companies that produce lots of computers to sell, like Dell, HP, Compaq, Acer, Asus (not their motherboards, but if you bought a computer from Asus). The OEM slic method is how they activate mass produced computers. They don't use a seperate key like you do when you purchase a retail version of windows, so they can all use the same key, not individual unique ones like when you do a retail version. It's all explained in the link above.

    Get the preconceived notion of using a unique key out of your head. That would slow the OEM guys down too much to have to activate each computer with a unique key. So they use one key on all the computers they produce, and as long as their is a OEM slic in the bios (or with a loader), a matching manufacturers certification, and any valid Win 7 key, it activates offline. Saves time for the manufacturers, and makes activation automatic for their customers who might not have a clue as to how to activate or might not even have internet access. It's all in the Win 7 Repository on the first page. Don't overthink it.

    Follow the instructions on the page....when it says not to enter a key when windows prompts you for one, that's exactly what you do, enter NOTHING, and hit next....windows will continue to load. Have faith in the instructions. IF you follow the instructions, windows will activate. Maybe the fact that the Repository page has instructions for several methods on one page is confusing you, read the parts that pertain to the activation method you prefer to try. Normally I'd use the modded bios slic method as it's the most permanent and how the OEM's do it, but with your level of reading comprehension, maybe it would be safer for you to use DAZ's loader. I'm not trying to offend you, but if you don't follow the instructions correctly with modding a bios, you can brick your motherboard, and so far you don't seem to be able to comprehend the instructions very well, and that's all fine and good, maybe english isn't your natural language. But from what I've seen so far, I'd feel better telling you to use a loader. The worst that can happen then is you have to reinstall if you don't properly follow instructions. Hope I didn't offend you, just trying to help you out.
     
  15. Duckz

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    Are you speaking to billbo? Who kindly hijacked my thread :p

    Anyway, all information is good information. I will continue to read of threads and keep up to date with what is going on around the community. But like you said, modded bios slic is it's the most permanant.
     
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    #16 billbo, Jan 9, 2010
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    lol, wise guy

    exactly! never encountered these oem issues before ... it sounds like the loader simulates the slic update in the bios(?) ... rather than learning thru painful trial and error approach i'm trying to understand what i'm going to encounter along the way while my pc is disabled during the process ... like they say, sometimes you don't know what it is you don't know. your explanation hits the nail on the head, thanks!! as for 'hijacking' thread comment ... lighten up Francis :)
     
  17. Duckz

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    #17 Duckz, Jan 9, 2010
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    I thought I would test BIOS modding before doing it on my new system.

    I've downloaded the latest official BIOS for my MSI Wind U100, which has SLIC 2.1 already in it. I've flashed, installed Windows 7, Certificate and Key all successfully.

    Now I am preparing my USB Stick for my new motherboard.

    I have followed this tutorial http://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/8909 to create a bootable USB stick. I've then copied 0402SLIC.ROM from this post http://forums.mydigitallife.net/posts/208207433 (Which is the model of my motherboard) to the USB stick, along with AFUDOS241.exe.

    Would just like confirmation that the above process is correct.

    Now, I boot from the USB stick. When I'm at the prompt, simple type Afudos /0402SLIC.ROM and the flash process will start? There are other flags for resetting the CMOS and VNRAM to defaults. Do I need to do these too?
     
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  18. urie

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    #18 urie, Jan 9, 2010
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    best information you can get is to go to manufactures site and read their instructions for flashing from dos not every bios is the same.but normaly afudos/ xx.romwill do but there are other switches for clearing cmos e.c.t to save you having to remove battery e.c.t