November Rollup Size

Discussion in 'Windows 8' started by DioNZB, Nov 19, 2014.

  1. DioNZB

    DioNZB MDL Member

    Jun 23, 2013
    221
    250
    10
    With this November Rollup that is huge my windows 8.1 images doesn't fit on dvd5 (4,7 gb) even it is ESD

    is there another way of shrinking?
     
  2. cuteee

    cuteee MDL Guru

    Oct 13, 2012
    3,238
    410
    120
    What's the problem ?

    Install Windows 8.1 with update and then install the November Rollup.
     
  3. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

    Aug 15, 2012
    15,354
    21,473
    340
    Huge difference between installing Windows, updating it afterwards and installing an already updated Windows.


    @ OP

    Iirc not much without crippling it. In case you mounted it then did unmount/commit without exporting it afterwards, export it to a new WIM, that can dramatically decrease the WIM size (for me from 5,3 GB (after unmount) for three indices to 4,6 GB after exporting it).
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  4. cuteee

    cuteee MDL Guru

    Oct 13, 2012
    3,238
    410
    120
    s1ave77, what do you mean ?

    It's not simple ? Installing Windows 8.1 with update, and then the last 2 Updates : KB2934018, KB2959977 and then November rollup ?
     
  5. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

    Aug 15, 2012
    15,354
    21,473
    340
    That can last a lot of time depending on the system, wheras the install of a fully updated Windows lasts as long as installing untouched MS version.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  6. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

    Feb 19, 2011
    8,096
    27,018
    270
    Audit, ResetBase, Sysprep, Capture

    that's the basic process that even MS follow it :D
     
  7. DioNZB

    DioNZB MDL Member

    Jun 23, 2013
    221
    250
    10
    but almost everyone said:

    the november update contains al of the updates t/m april

    it isn't if you integrate only the november update you will get 44 updates after installation.
    am i right?

    and resetbase what do you mean :D?
     
  8. burfadel

    burfadel MDL EXE>MSP/CAB

    Aug 19, 2009
    2,627
    3,843
    90
    #8 burfadel, Nov 20, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2014
    It's a feature available with Windows 8.1 (not Windows 7) that, in the simplest of terms, removes all the backups of previous versions that exist on the system. This includes the versions of the files from the original installation of Windows if newer versions are present. It also means that updates cannot be uninstalled because the previous versions are no longer present on the disk. It is safe to use, unless Microsoft somehow managed a major faux pas.

    It's done by running (from an elevated command prompt):
    dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup /resetbase

    If you run it without the /resetbase command, you are still able to uninstall updates, but the process takes considerably longer. It also saves much less space, as the original files still exist in the form of a 'delta'. What this means is, the difference between the current update at the time when you ran the command, and the earlier files, is saved.

    Before running the resetbase command, you should run:
    sfc /scannow
    dism /online /cleanup-image /restorehealth


    This is just a precautionary measure to resolve any issues that may exist.
     
  9. Mr Jinje

    Mr Jinje MDL Expert

    Aug 19, 2009
    1,773
    1,088
    60
    can it be offline integrated via dism.
     
  10. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

    Feb 19, 2011
    8,096
    27,018
    270
    Yes can be integrated, but cleanup and resetbase won't work
     
  11. Mr Jinje

    Mr Jinje MDL Expert

    Aug 19, 2009
    1,773
    1,088
    60
    if wim size is no issue, one could in theory resetbase from winpe pass or setupcomplete.cmd phase during installation. poor man's method to avoid sysprep at all costs.
     
  12. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

    Aug 15, 2012
    15,354
    21,473
    340
    Yeah, but resetbase at setupcomplete stage ... setup can take up to an hour then (depending on the system first run can last a while) :g:.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  13. Mr Jinje

    Mr Jinje MDL Expert

    Aug 19, 2009
    1,773
    1,088
    60
    Why no msdn rollup iso ?
     
  14. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

    Nov 18, 2012
    6,680
    10,126
    210
    Don't know. I'm gonna give them until next month before I start integrating it.
    They haven't exactly been putting a lot of effort into 8.1 lately so I'm guessing they're working with a skeleton crew.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  15. s1ave77

    s1ave77 MDL Guide Dog/Dev

    Aug 15, 2012
    15,354
    21,473
    340
    Would explain all the problems over the last months ... hopefully they don't screw it in the end, it's running nicely here :nsa:.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  16. armond

    armond MDL Senior Member

    Jun 16, 2008
    445
    154
    10
    I hope MS release an ISO or at least a new ESD.
     
  17. Dave45

    Dave45 MDL Senior Member

    Aug 12, 2012
    316
    111
    10
    lets hope so
     
  18. acyuta

    acyuta MDL Expert

    Mar 8, 2010
    1,638
    371
    60
    After installing the update and doing this

    dism /online /cleanup-image /startcomponentcleanup /resetbase

    the update took up an extra 1 GB. However, restoring the image the next day led to almost no increase in overall size (+100-200 MB). I have seen that the impact of dism cleanup takes 1-2 restores to be complete.
    Even on a clean windows 8.1 (no software), the image with (nov 2014 rollup+updates) is almost equal to (april iso+apr-nov updates+nov rollup). So overall there should be no extra space taken up by nov 2014 rollup.
     
    Stop hovering to collapse... Click to collapse... Hover to expand... Click to expand...
  19. burfadel

    burfadel MDL EXE>MSP/CAB

    Aug 19, 2009
    2,627
    3,843
    90
    Not quite sure what you mean there acyuta! The November update plus the other updates and previous rollups, once you run /resetbase, shouldn't take up much more than a fresh install of just Windows. This is because it removes the old versions of the files, so the difference in sizes is primarily the difference in size of the files in the updates. Of course, it doesn't quite work that way, but it's close enough :). The free space on the drive should be less because of the new features added, USN journal differences etc.
     
  20. Underclocked

    Underclocked MDL Member

    Sep 3, 2013
    243
    41
    10
    Did anyone else observe the November update resets context menus?