Now we have a new problem : Branch Version Fragmentation

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by john123x, Oct 19, 2016.

  1. john123x

    john123x MDL Junior Member

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    Windows 10 as a service, Microsoft said its helps stops software fragmentation, but i think we now got a bigger issue, Branch Version Fragmentation. Branch Version Fragmentation is more rapid than OS fragmentation, versions comes out twice a year!!!!


    Now we got 3 branch version:
    -Windows 10 Version 1607
    -Windows 10 Version 1511
    -Windows 10 (initial version released July 2015)


    and here are the cumulative Downloads:
    -Cumulative Update for Windows 10 for x64-based Systems (KB3199125) 1033.3 MB
    -Cumulative Update for Windows 10 (KB3199125) 466.3 MB
    -Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 (KB3200068) 549.4 MB
    -Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1511 for x64-based Systems (KB3200068) 1056.9 MB
    -Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 for x64-based Systems (KB3197356) 760.6 MB
    -Cumulative Update for Windows 10 Version 1607 (KB3197356) 404.5 MB


    it really sucks to be an IT guyy....
     
  2. T-S

    T-S MDL Guru

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    MS decided to ape Arch Linux which an approach good for most people but bad for any stable operation.

    The point is that Arch Linux doesn't have a LTS version and that's for a reason: would be too complicate to maintain.

    In short if you have a server and you don't want to risk a mess on each update you have to choose something else, Centos, Ubuntu LTS or whatever.

    Now MS is forced to follow both the approaches, which is something that hardly will be sustainable in the long run.
     
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  3. sevenacids

    sevenacids MDL Addicted

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    #3 sevenacids, Oct 19, 2016
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    It's not such a big problem since most professional IT environments are likely going to stick with the LTSB branch, which is good for some years, no fragmentation there, kind of the way it was with previous Windows versions. But I agree that even in smaller environments (down to the individual) two versions a year is too much. I'd prefer it if Microsoft would follow the Apple route, and release a new OS version once a year. Now they lied when they said Windows 10 is the last version of Windows, because we already got three different versions of this last version.

    And, even better, I'd welcome if they dropped that incremental build s**t once and for all, and just deliver everything the cumulative way (with updated ISOs once a year). It's just insane that you still have to perform an in-place upgrade for every new build (and download 2+ GB of data just for changes worth a few MB). That's the ancient way to do it. Component-based servicing applied to the entire OS is the way to go, if they really want to provide Windows "as a service".

    Example:
    1) Release updates and features to the preview folks (and internal testers).
    2) After two weeks, if it turns out to be stable, release it to consumers (general public) - include features only if they ready.
    3) After two weeks, if it turns out to be stable, release it to business users (as optional) - include features only if they ready.
    4) Once a year, provide a rollup to mission-critical systems that just received security updates in the meantime.

    No branch fragmentation, just one branch and staged delivery of updates and features.
     
  4. T-S

    T-S MDL Guru

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    Well... it depends on how many LTSB they decide to release in the future.

    If they release one per year there will be 10 LTSB flavors before the LTSB 2015 becomes totally unsupported.

    Not my idea of unfragmented OS.
     
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  5. sevenacids

    sevenacids MDL Addicted

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    Last I heard was every three years. The 2016 one was an out-of-band release, maybe because the 2015 one wasn't really a finished version.
     
  6. T-S

    T-S MDL Guru

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    Yes makes sense, three years, would be the same time frame between two of the older Win XX releases, obviously exuding XP which was a notable exception.
     
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  7. GTX480

    GTX480 MDL Novice

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    LTSB will probably follow Windows Server releases. However, Version 1511 is still supported but we will have to wait for Version 1704 to see will they drop support for Version 1511.
     
  8. SAM-R

    SAM-R MDL Guru

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    Windows 10 (initial version released July 2015) version 1507
     
  9. Garbellano

    Garbellano MDL Addicted

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    wecome to linux world :p
     
  10. cuteee

    cuteee MDL Guru

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    The first windows 10 also called version 1507.
     
  11. wazzock

    wazzock MDL Senior Member

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    and that is exactly why linux will not beat windows, too many lions chasing too many zebras.

    windows 10 is now a complete fustercluck
     
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  12. MS_User

    MS_User MDL Guru

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    Ms is up to something and is $$$ related in the end;)
     
  13. wazzock

    wazzock MDL Senior Member

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    business as usual and will no doubt involve a greasy finger for the end user, truly business as usual :D
     
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  14. TairikuOkami

    TairikuOkami MDL Addicted

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    At first people complained, that Windows is not updated quite enough and developed slowly, now it is vice-versa. :mocking:
    10 is the last Windows, so this is the way, it is gonna be. IT guys know, how to handle it, so do not worry about them.
     
  15. testtest322

    testtest322 MDL Senior Member

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    Does LTSB get security only updates? Or what?
     
  16. Gharlane00

    Gharlane00 MDL Addicted

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    Most IT professionals don't work for Giant Enterprises that are willing/able to pay the exorbitant prices to get LTSB.
     
  17. wazzock

    wazzock MDL Senior Member

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    as far as i know, it gets updates as any edition does, it doesnt get new features :)
     
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  18. tonto11

    tonto11 MDL Addicted

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    The updates get bigger than the thing they're updating
    real pita
    church service I was at lost it's computer display, cause Win 10
    just had to update and they hadn't set up the update schedule to prevent that

    hilarious

    LTSB for me

    ...T
     
  19. lobo11

    lobo11 TOMAHAWK CHOP

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    #19 lobo11, Jan 18, 2017
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    Windows Update Mini Tool solves those problems, set to notification mode, gives you choice of what to install or hide or simply install nothing.:D In Sig

    EDIT: ADDED How to install WUMT in MDL QUICK LINKS in Sig
     
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  20. tonto11

    tonto11 MDL Addicted

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    Thanks Lobo, I'll investigate that :D

    ...T