Please remember to VOTE

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  1. GOD666

    GOD666 MDL Expert

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    Dear MDL,

    No matter who you support, be it Democrat, Republican, Green Party, Libertarian Party, or Independent, please remember to VOTE this coming Tuesday, November 8th, 2016. Many brave, good men and women, have sacrificed their very lives so that you and I could have the freedoms we do today and so that we could freely elect our leaders.

    Please note, while voting, the responsibility falls on you not just to pick a new President, but also keep in mind that there are 535 members of Congress (The House and Senate) and in the end, these are the people who truly have power, enough to even override The Office of The President. Our nation's government is filled with such checks and balances.

    And I know everyone here values The Internet. Keep that in mind as you vote for your choice of representative. Will they truly represent you, the people, or will the person you be voting uphold the current status quo of a Corporate Congress.

    Whatever your choice, please remember to VOTE.

    Have a wonderful weekend.

    :)
     
  2. NeXtStatioN

    NeXtStatioN MDL Senior Member

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    #2 NeXtStatioN, Nov 4, 2016
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    Hello

    I'm not American, so I'll not vote, but if I was American, I wouldn't vote for any of these candidates.
    If the candidates are not trustworthy enough, do you have to vote ?
    So If we don't want these candidates, should we still go, take the Donald Trump paper and draw some sh1ts on it ? :D

    To me it is a duty, not a rule. Vote if someone is interesting with his program, else do not vote.
    I didn't see any of them truly talk about what they would really do.
    Yay, I'm a French guy living in Japan, I can't be aware of everything lol, but from what I've heard, there's nothing to do there.
    (And I also wouldn't vote for the French presidential elections, lol, it's is a little bit the same :D )

    Vote if you know what you're doing. It is a powerful weapon that may lead to a lot of trouble.
    Really.
     
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  3. GOD666

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    1) Jill Stein
    2) Donald Trump
    3) Garry Johnson
    4) Hillary Clinton

    These 4 people are on every ballot (minus 2 states). I personally do not like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb

    Both parties have picked the worst people imaginable and it is about time we move away from a 2 party system, our nation used to have 5 party system.

    5% of the vote. That is all that is needed for The Libertarian Party and The Green Party to officially receive federal funding in the next election. Gary Johnson will easily get that 5%, so I'm going to vote for Jill Stein. Because while I cannot stop this election, I can make a better tomorrow for our next election.
     
  4. Imkruzen

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    War is money for the MIC. Vietnam was a war not to win but keep selling arms to the Gov't. It was a waste of young kids. Canon fodder for profit.

    To make the idea of war and all its horrors more palatable to the masses, politicians and leaders throughout history have used the simplest political tactic of all with great effectiveness: Lying.

    But wait, what about the World Wars? What about Vietnam? Surely those wars, which claimed the lives of over 500,000 American soldiers, were just wars and couldn't be based on lies, right? Wrong.

    1. The Gulf of Tonkin Incident

    On August 4, 1964, President Johnson claimed American ships were twice attacked by North Vietnamese forced in the Tonkin Gulf. In response, LBJ escalated air strikes against North Vietnam, and issued the Gulf Of Tonkin Resolution on Aug. 7. This resolution gave the president the authority "to take all necessary measures to repel any armed attack against the forces of the United States and to prevent further aggression." So began the Vietnam War.

    What really happened?
    Sounds somewhat justified, right? That is, until you find out that there was no attack on U.S. ships on August 4, 1964. The commander of the task force in the gulf, Capt. John Herrick, blamed "freak weather effects," "almost total darkness" and an "overeager sonarman" who "was hearing ship's own propeller beat." Basically, jumpy soldiers thought they were being attacked when they weren't.

    Oh, and the "task force" in the gulf that LBJ claimed was on "routine patrol" was actually on an aggressive intelligence-gathering mission, even coordinating attacks on North Vietnam with Laotian and South Vietnamese forces. In fact, just two days before, there were two attacks on North Vietnamese bases.

    Navy pilot (flying right over the ships that night) and future VP candidate for Ross Perot, James Stockdale, reported: "I had the best seat in the house to watch that event, and our destroyers were just shooting at phantom targets — there were no PT boats there.... There was nothing there but black water and American fire power."

    Even the man who went on national TV and lied directly to the American people, Lyndon Johnson, commented in 1965: "For all I know, our Navy was shooting at whales out there." Almost 60,000 American soldiers died in the Vietnam War. God bless America.

    2. Pearl Harbor Attacked!

    On December 7, 1941, about 3,000 U.S. servicemen were killed by a surprise attack by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor, Hawaii. The attack came without any notice or leaked information from the Japanese, and President Franklin Roosevelt succumbed to public pressure was reluctantly forced into World War 2.

    What really happened?
    FDR not only knew the Japanese attack was coming, but he also provoked it and let it happen so the U.S. had an excuse to officially enter WW2 (it was already providing money and equipment to Britain, France, and Russia).

    On October 7, 1940, one of Roosevelt's military advisors, Lieutenant Commander Arthur McCollum, wrote a memo detailing an 8-step plan that would provoke Japan into attacking the United States.

    Among the provocations was the total blockade of Japanese oil imports agreed upon by the US, Britain, and the Dutch. FDR also started an all-out embargo of Japan, and forbade them the use of the Panama canal, which eliminated the Japanese ability to get much-needed oil from South American countries like Venezuela. Another provocation was that the United States authorized an all-volunteer air-group called the Flying Tigers to fight the Japanese in China. Even before Pearl Harbor, these squadrons had already shot down over 100 Japanese fighters above China.

    Before the "surprise" attack and unbeknownst to the Japanese, the United States had already broken the encryption codes used by the Japanese military. The US could automatically decrypt any coded Japanese military or political messages almost as soon as they were transmitted. With this decryption, the US was even able to keep tabs on not only Japan's military communications, but also Japan's internal politics and squabbles.

    The Japanese Navy, far from keeping radio silence, sent over 1000 transmissions during its voyage from Japan to Hawaii. Most or all of these transmissions had been deciphered, including one request for the exact coordinates of multiple different American ships in the harbor. Another message, directly from Admiral Yamamoto, read:

    "The task force, keeping its movement strictly secret and maintaining close guard against submarines and aircraft, shall advance into Hawaiian waters, and upon the very opening of hostilities shall attack the main force of the United States fleet and deal it a mortal blow. The first air raid is planned for the dawn of x-day. Exact date to be given by later order."

    On January 27, 1941, Joseph C. Grew, the U.S. ambassador to Japan, wired Washington that he'd learned of the surprise attack Japan was preparing for Pearl Harbour. The night before the attack, President Roosevelt, members of his cabinet, and top military leaders already had all the necessary information on the Japanese attack, such as the when and the where, but did not inform the commanders at Pearl Harbor.

    Even US Admiral James Richardson objected to FDR's insistance that the fleet be docked in the strategically-vulnerable bottleneck of Pearl Harbor, where no escape could be made in the event of an attack. For his keen insight and service, Admiral Richardson was promptly fired by FDR.

    Secretary of War Henry Stimson recorded a meeting of FDR's top advisors in his diary in November, 1941: "The question was how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into … firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves."

    The attack led to the destruction of several US ships, but all of the ships left in the harbor by that point were out-of-date, WW1-era ships, and none were aircraft carriers. FDR, knowing that his aircraft carriers were the most important pieces to a war with Japan, moved the Enterprise and the Lexington out to sea, and the Saratoga to San Diego not long before the attacks.

    A day that will live in infamy, indeed.

    3. Sinking of the Lusitania

    On May 7, 1915, during World War 1, almost 1,200 people were killed when the British passenger ship RMS Lusitania was torpedoed and sunk by a German submarine off the coast of Ireland. While Germany insisted that the ship, the fastest cruise-liner in the Atlantic, was carrying munitions and supplies for the Allied powers, it was maintained by the Allies that the Lusitania was unarmed and therefore the attack was unprovoked. The attack resulted in widespread support for the United States' entry into WW1.

    What really happened?
    Unrestricted submarine warfare was a touchy subject in WW1. The Germans, trying to blockade Britain and "starve" the country out of the war, warned us that there was... eh, kind of a war going on, y'know? And that any ships en-route to Europe could be searched, seized, or attacked as under suspicion of supplying the British. Eventually, Germany relented to pressure from the US to stop unrestricted submarine warfare in the Atlantic ocean, but quickly resumed the practice in the areas around the English Isles.

    Before the Lusitania left on its final voyage, the German embassy in the US bought out 50 ads in American newspapers, warning people of the dangers of submarine warfare during trans-Atlantic voyages at the time:

    Notice! Travellers intending to embark on the Atlantic voyage are reminded that a state of war exists between Germany and her allies and Great Britain and her allies; that the zone of war includes the waters adjacent to the British Isles; that, in accordance with formal notice given by the Imperial German Government, vessels flying the flag of Great Britain, or any of her allies, are liable to destruction in those waters and that travellers sailing in the war zone on the ships of Great Britain or her allies do so at their own risk. Imperial German Embassy
    Washington, D.C. 22 April 1915

    In complete disregard of the warnings from Germany, the US continued to load passenger ships with supplies and munitions and used them as very explosive mules - while still transporting civilians, mind you - to get supplies past the German U-boats and into Europe. Unlike what we're told in the official story, the Lusitania was NOT only carrying passengers.

    The truth is that the Lusitania was carrying approximately 4 million rounds of ammunition on top of other explosive supplies, below the ship's waterline. Vulnerable to torpedo attacks, this large cache of munitions is the most likely reason for the massive ship sinking so quickly (20 minutes).

    Many high ranking officials were already hoping for a war, such as Winston Churchill, who wrote in a confidential letter shortly before the sinking:

    "It is most important to attract neutral shipping to our shores, in the hope especially of embroiling the U.S. with Germany. For our part we want the traffic - the more the better and if some of it gets into trouble, better still."

    So, after completely ignoring all of Germany's warnings, after using innocent civilians as shields for their supply ships, and after even hoping for a confrontation, American and British leaders feigned surprise and outrage at the sinking of the Lusitania, using the tragic loss of life to greatly increase American popular support for the war.

    4. U.S.S. Maine Explodes
    On February 15, 1898, the USS Maine suddenly exploded while it was docked off of Havana, Cuba as a "show of force" to the crumbling Spanish Empire. The explosion killed over 260 men. The Spanish were immediately blamed for the sabotage of the Maine, and by April, were at war with the US, which claimed it was "liberating" Cuba and several other Spanish colonies (although these colonies were not allowed any part of the peace negotiations).

    What really happened?
    Remember the Maine, to hell with Spain! Right? Well, not really. You see, there was no investigation whatsoever into what caused the explosion until after the Spanish American War was already over. First, people were convinced that it was triggered by a mine planted under the hull by a Spaniard. However, more recent discoveries have revealed that the most likely cause for the incident was a total accident: a spontaneous coal fire managed to spread into the ship's ammunition magazine, where all the explosives on the ship are kept.

    But the US had been aching for a Spanish-American war even before the Maine. A minor revolution had begun in Spanish Cuba, and US business interests were nervous that they would lose control over their sugar and tobacco interests on the island. US newspapers flooded the country with false stories of Spanish brutality and even cannabalism in Cuba just to stir anti-Spanish sentiment. After the Maine's being sent down to deter the rebels, the spontaneous explosion of the ship was just what the warhawks needed to get support for the war.

    The Spanish American War ended with America taking control of several other former Spanish colonies: Guam, Puerto Rico, and the Philippines (all of which had nothing to do with the USS Maine explosion, but were "liberated" anyway).

    So next time you think that our government would never lie about why it's going to war, remember these four events. To find out just how common such warmongering and disrespect for life really is, just take a look at the following video where Patrick Clawson, a director of research at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy, openly muses about the possibility of using a false-flag operation to begin a war against Iran:

    And don't forget, these are only 4 examples of American wars started by lies. There are hundreds, even thousands more throughout human history. So the next time you hear that, say, Iran has nukes, take a step back and think for a second. Is the government lying to you yet again?
     
  5. wazzock

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    Regardless of country, voting should be made compulsory for everyone of voting age. On ALL ballots, there should be a "Non Of The Above" option. You would get higher turnouts with that option alone. :)
     
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  6. wazzock

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    America threatended WW3 when the russians wanted to place nuclear missiles in cuba, only 50 miles or so from the US border, but it was ok for america to place nuclear missiles in turkey, which bordered the soviet union. The soviets wanted parity. Discuss. Maybe not,,, o_O
     
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  7. wazzock

    wazzock MDL Senior Member

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    Think about this,,,

    The Nuremburg Trials

    The Manhattan Project - Injected elderley and infirmed patients with high levels of radioactive materials to judge the effects on the human body.
    As 1 person put it, "It had a little of the Buchenwald touch".
     
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  8. Michaela Joy

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    @Imkruzen: You forgot to mention the events of 9/11...

    So, like a wheel, history repeats itself.
     
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  9. GOD666

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    #9 GOD666, Nov 8, 2016
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    Today is election day and while it may be entertaining to rant about your belief, anonymously, on The Internet; it can never truly be a substitute for the importance of taking real life action. So I would remind everyone who is of age and who is registered, to please take a moment out of your day, step away from the computer, and stand by your convictions and go vote !!
     
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    I Voted .jpg

    ;) :D :rolleyes: :biggrin: :) :clap:
     
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  11. NeXtStatioN

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    So I guess Hillary is going to jail ? :rolleyes:
     
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