Preinstalled windows license

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  1. lolpan

    lolpan MDL Novice

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    #1 lolpan, Feb 1, 2013
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    Hello

    I have a lenovo laptop with a legitimate preinstalled windows 8 license.

    However I would like to run windows 7 (legitimate) on the lenovo and install windows 8 on another laptop (hp). As the lenovo does not have a touch screen and the hp does. (I am not eligible for any upgrade pricing/discounts)

    I can extract the windows 8 key from the lenovo with a program (belarc for example), but I am lead to believe I will not be able to activate that key on the hp laptop.

    Is there any way around this problem? Away for force the activation of a legitimate key from a preinstalled windows license? It is a legitimate key, but as far as I understand the manufacturer usually blocks it from being activated, encouraging you to use the restore partition or paying for a new key if things fail.

    Thanks for any help

    Also I read this sticky, but am not sure what it means or if it applies:
    Windows 8 preinstalled licenses, AKA OA2.2 and OA3.0
    forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/34580-Windows-8-preinstalled-licenses-AKA-OA2-2-and-OA3-0
     
  2. lolpan

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    I forgot to mention that I had searched to forums, but was unable to find a similar problem. Most people seemed concerned with installing another version of windows on to a computer that came with a preinstalled license or how to transfer upgrade/oem product keys.

    I am sorry if this issue has been discussed before, but if it has, I would be greatful if you directed me to any relevant threads.

    Thanks again
     
  3. abbodi1406

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    different pc = different hardware = different license

    so, no you can not
     
  4. Daz

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    There's no way you can move Windows 8 OEM:DM keys to other systems.
     
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    lolpan MDL Novice

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    Thank you both for your quick responses.

    Have a good weekend
     
  6. patrixon78

    patrixon78 MDL Novice

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    actually

    If you living inside EU you can buy the licence from the person who is eligible for discount. In EU law you can resell any software licence because on the EU territory company who selling the software in the first place loosing their rights to mentioned software just after transaction so you become the owner of the software you purchased and you can resell it even if it's against company's terms & regulations. For example any Microsoft Licence and any Adobe licence including Teacher & Student editions. But first and for most you need to find the person willing to sell the licence to you. As the matter of fact I have one discounted licence for Win 8 Pro for sale. I just hate this OS and want to get rid of it.
     
  7. S_A_S

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    And how is this related to the OP's question about a OEM key :dunno:
     
  8. Please-8

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    I just tested this:

    • Extract pre-installed key with your keyfinder script
    • Checked key with "The Ultimate PID Checker" = Win 8 RTM Core OEM:DM
    • Installed on a total different "not OEM" PC
    • Used MSDN ISO (Core + Pro)
    • "OEM:DM" Key was accepted whilst installation
    • Online activation is not possible: "Key is in use on other PC ..."
    • Phone activation works
     
  9. Daz

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    #9 Daz, Feb 2, 2013
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    @ Please-8
    But it can get your key blocked because the key is designed for that hardware only, so don't expect it to always remain working as Windows 8 performs genuine checks on a daily basis.

    Basically if the system see's it's got an OEM:DM key installed and then it checks to see if your ACPI tables contains an MSDM table and it's not there then MS can consider that an illegally activated system.
     
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  10. Please-8

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    As mentioned by "patrixon78":
    In EU it's not allowed to bundle standard software with hardware (except: specialize software that can only run with special hardware).
    Even if it's written in EULA.

    So we are in luck in EU.

    So we need to discuss how Microsoft identifies EU citizens whilst phone activation.
    By language ? By used phone No. ?
    • What happens when a EU citizens activates his Windows 8 on holiday in US ? Uses English language and US phone No. ?
    • What happens when a US citizens activates his Windows 8 on holiday in France ? Uses French language and French phone No. ?
     
  11. Daz

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    #11 Daz, Feb 2, 2013
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    @ Please-8
    But as S_A_S pointed out, his post actually doesn't have anything to do with OEM:DM activation. If you wanted to pick at that though then think of it this way. The license key is actually within the BIOS and so it's not a standard software key that you'd normally have access to. It's tied to your hardware like a unique identifier, so if you want to sell your license you're supposed to sell your motherboard too.

    http://forums.mydigitallife.net/threads/34580-Windows-8-preinstalled-licenses-AKA-OA2-2-and-OA3-0
    Systems with an OEM:DM key shouldn't have to activate it over the phone (I'm surprised MS hasn't blocked it yet and forwarded all calls attempting this to a real person), so that signals to Microsoft that your key might be compromised. Will they invalidate that key or the system using it? Sure, they can if they wanted to. But when will they?
     
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  12. Please-8

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    As I said before:
    So in EU it does not exist "tied to hardware".

    I you unpack a new PC with preinstalled Windows 8 it's not activated.
    You can activate via internet or phone.

    That's also written in EULA:
     
  13. anarchist9027

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    Are you really going to sit here and go back and forth wit Daz? He is the master when it comes down to this stuff.

    He has done all of his homework and knows what he is talking about. EU laws may not apply when it comes to a licence being tied into hardware.
     
  14. pisthai

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    Not completely true! There two main different OEM Licenses for Windows 8:
    • Factory Pre-Installed Windows 8 OEM
    • Windows 8 OEM Packages sold in Computer Shop!
    Later normally should be sold with Special Hardware together but sold as it is as well! Tha packages itself differs from the MS Pacjkages, it's just an white Paper Envelope with some Sticker Lables and contains 1 DVD with either 32bit or 64bit Version of Windows 8. Those are available as Core and Pro as well.
     
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    #16 Shenj, Feb 4, 2013
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  16. Daz

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    @ pisthai
    I would be talking about the first. Factory pre-installed OEM:DM which is a little different to the other license as it's installed on the hardware.

    @ Please-8
    That's actually not 100% true. Microsoft only have to do that with Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player. If they weren't allowed to give you "standard software" then you wouldn't get MS paint, Wordpad, Windows Media Center etc. Secondly the license key is installed to the hardware within your BIOS so to sell your license should require you to sell your hardware, since the key will always remain in your BIOS so you're not handing over 100% of the license to that person.

    Yes, for that specific system. Like I previously said, your key risks becoming blocked or the system deactivated because it's not running on the hardware the OEM paid for it to be installed to.
     
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  17. pisthai

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    #20 BTOR, Feb 5, 2013
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    I think you have problem with reading/understanding.you are clearly quoting my post on windows 8 and saying it is not so.i am convinced that you could make even me believe i spoke on windows 7 , what do you want me to do? a Photoshop on ms resource/documents ? this is how they have published their site,i just put a SS of that PAGE here.

    Now if we take in to account what i posted, it is from the MS, so are you saying the license agreement they laid is wrong in full and your understanding is true to the best of the worlds knowledge.

    Now if we consider what i quoted,then the only thing i quoted was your post.You are correct in this regard.It is hard for me to believe you are agreeing this "the information you quoted were wrong in full". So i think there is nothing more to discuss.