Revolt against Reason

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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    A very good starting point of a debate, which is most urgent, I think!!!

    https://socialeurope.eu/the-revolt-against-reason

    Robert Misik

    Robert Misik is a writer and essayist living in Vienna. His most recent book is Die falschen Freunde der einfachen Leute (‘The False Friends of the Regular Guys’, Suhrkamp Verlag, 2019). He publishes in many German-language newspapers and magazines, including Die Zeit and Die Tageszeitung. Awards include the prize for economic journalism of the John Maynard Keynes Society.
     
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  2. kaljukass

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    Will this forum also turns now into a propaganda machine for left-wing extremists, or would be better if the politics and propaganda be left out from here?
     
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  3. nodnar

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    op is in the habit to revolt against reason, just like he says ;)
     
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  4. gorski

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    Well, if you can't distinguish between science and propaganda you better not read at all...

    I am here because there are some serious people, unlike you, who can debate issues and not just come up with right wing propaganda slogans...
     
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  5. Tiger-1

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    :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Opulent_Maelstrom

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    You staff delete my post for necroposting on this thread but you leave the thread opened for new replies?
    I don't get it.
     
  7. case-sensitive

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    Its undenyable proof that your right !!! , and that theres an international left wing socialist raceist , sexist , antisemitic conspiracy , discrimination and victimisation against you .
     
  8. case-sensitive

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    I think gorski is right . Its something that we / humanity should be talking about .

    Are we now at the start of a new dark ages ?

    The problems that humanity have are largely because of how we have learnt / been taught / been trained like sea lions in a circus to see society and politics . A good example is seeing , clasifying , defineing things as ' Left ' and ' right ' ............ and / or in ' religeous ' terms . Both obsolete and realy realy f**kin stupid .

    Both are virtual realitys ........... we all live in our own personal , family , social , religeous virtual realitys ......... made up of what we've been taught , what we just acepted , what we decided , and what conections they have , and effects on each other .......... and this is used to stear us and milk us . To keep us prisoner and to exploit us . To keep the people in power in power , and the people makeing profit maeking more profit .

    Divide and rule . Bread and games . Stearing people with hate , predjudice , fear , greed , lies and confusion .

    Galileo said that there is no bigger hate than the hate of ignorance for knowledge .......... and we see ignorant people hideing in their own personal virtual reality / fantasy world and see how they react when their own personal fantasy world is put in question .......... burning ' witches ' , gasing jews , beheading people , cuting bits off children , conspiracy theorys . = Pure hate . Sickness .

    A perfect example of the stearing , control and ignorance is .......... working class people praising capitalism because if it wasnt for capitalism we would all be being starved to death by socialists ......... and that we are better because we lve in democracy .......... allthough we dont live i n democracy ......... we live in ' Party political democracy ' ......... wich is exactly the oposit of democracy .......... and what democracy was suposed to replace ............. and ......... Ooooooops !!!! Democracy is socialist :)




    Maybe the thread got dumped because noone wants it to descend into a verbal acrobatic slanging match ......... like the corona thread :)
     
  9. gorski

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    Well, if anyone has a better idea than the Left, to go against exploitation and domination as the defining ideas/principles of our Age - fine...

    I just don't see it. The Right is all based on those two, so go figure...

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  10. case-sensitive

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    Was that a rant ? :)

    Your doing what your talking about ........... stupid catagorys like right or left .......... and takeing sides ......... wich could / usualy does descend into troll wars ......... and i say ........ take a step back and look at it from outside ......... without the left / right blinkers

    Its about freedom and control ......... about political and social evil-ution ........... not about wich gangsters dominate us with weapons .

    Whats the difference between a gangster with a gun giveing orders in a brown shirt or in a red shirt . Domination is domination and control is control . Gangsters are gangsters and murderers are murderers .

    When i went to school my teachers were proud to teach us about human social and political evil-ution .And that we are and should be proud of the advances that we have made .

    They were still infected with the ruleing class virtual reality / social identity that little britain won the war ......... that we are the best ......... the good ones ....... and that the rest of the world was envious of us .......... and ashamed not to be british ;)

    We were controled and steard by a virtrual reality presented to us by the ruleing classes .......... and that as soon as they didnt need to be nice to us , treat us fairly and respect our rights ......... to get us to sacrifice our lives for them ............ social and political evil-ution and advances were undermined ............ so that now evil-ution is being forced to go backwards .

    A perfect example is little britain ........ what happened to the age of enlightenment ? ............ when we see perverse demonstrations of pomp , delusion , greed , fanatism ............ like kings and queens ......... and crowning profesional parasites !?!? .......... in london , then in scotland and then trooping the colour !?!? .............. where all the gold and jewels that we see realy are gold and jewels ............ and a few hundred yards away people are vegitating , lieing in the streets begging ?

    Has evil-ution stoped ? ......... changed direction ? ........ being held hostage ?
     
  11. gorski

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    For rants see your own posts...
     
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  12. case-sensitive

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    ' a better idea than the Left, to go against exploitation and domination '

    Reads like a trail of bread crumbs ......... to a sneaky self substantiating advert for marxism / the sozialist worker party ?


    ' a better idea than the Left, to go against exploitation and domination '

    What exactly do you mean with ' The left ' ?

    Who ? ;)

    And whats the magic ' Better idea ' ........ one size fits all universal final solution ? :)

    You say ' The left ' ....... and naive sheep think you mean ' rational ' socialism ......... but do you realy mean ' Marxism ' = Left nazis .

    @ That article , left and right and takeing sides

    Fighting just provkes a response = More represion , control and cuts ......... wich is exactly what big brother / the forces of evil / the rich / capitalism / the right want .

    The whole of the right populist scene saw that years ago and replanned and reorganised themselves ........ to make their radical policys and ideas socialy presentable and aceptable ...... to become popular and main stream aceptable political partys ....... in germany for example gertting away from the NSU = openly nazi ....... and put a respectable face on and call themselves the AFD ......... then they take over popular themes ........ especialy themes where there's confusion and fear .......... like corona .-..... and talk s**t / spread lies and confusion ........ = bread and games / divide and rule ........ get the slaves upset and frightened ...... and then drive them in the direction wanted ....... and then instead of presenting ' Mein kampf ' and co as ' solutuions ' ......... = one lump with a clear ending .......... wich noone would acept ........ they present things in slices ........ present a trail of crumbs ........ with one aparently respectable crumb after another ....... each one leading to the next one ......... formade conclusuions ........ where all the slices look rational and aceptable untill they get the masses upset and running .......... and then comes the last slice = Dictatorship and gas chamber .

    Ther left missed the bus and are still going on 1960s ban the bomb styl demos that get noobne anywhere . Self celebrating loosers .

    Humanity has to take a step back and start to be honest ....... and not look at things through party eyes ........ not vote to decide who decides for us ......... but instead all of us sit down together and talk openly ......... one issue at a time ......... without profit and wealth as the first priority ( = Real socialism / democracy :) ) . To vote on isues and not vote wich colour shirt the gangster that dominates and exploits us and uses us as cannon food wears .
     
  13. Opulent_Maelstrom

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    There is no fundamental difference between the perceived polarities of Fascism and Communism and its little brother, Socialism. It is simply a ruse to keep us all debating and thus lose sight of the real issues. In other words it is a typical ‘Hegelian trap’. Under Communism, the state owns the corporations and the bankers own the state. Under Fascism, the corporations own the state and the bankers own the corporations. Both ‘systems’ are absolutely dedicated to providing the Elite bankers (who are the real rulers) with a total political, cultural, economic and spiritual monopoly, otherwise known as the New World Order. This is the real reason for the existence of deliberately manufactured, false paradigms such as ‘racism’, ‘anti-Semitism’ ‘hate speech’ and ‘political correctness’. It is not about protecting the ‘freedoms’ and rights of minorities as it is portrayed to be, it is really about the restriction and ultimately the enslavement of the majority.
     
  14. acer-5100

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    If we are discussing of religions we are supposed to discuss about principles, not distorted applications of them.

    If you are christian, you're supposed to follow what Jesus said, no matter if in his name we had the crusades, the genocides in North and South America, the witch hunts and so on

    Why politics should be different? Naming fascist regimes, self labeled with a red flag, as a prove that communism or socialism are wrong, is just petty.

    Nordic countries like Norway, Sweden, Denmark are way way closer tho the idea of communism, than most countries commonly called communist, and they are an example for everyone.

    Still, if you are in working class or you are unemployed (which still is by far the largest slice of the world's population) and you are sick, you have more chances to survive in the poor Cuba than in the rich USA. And everyone should think about that simple fact (which is a fact among another bunch of simple facts)
     
  15. case-sensitive

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    @ Keeping things simple

    Its about who decides , with what legitimation and in whose interest .

    @ Religeon

    Religeon is just alternative government ,

    Adam and eve comited incest and when the tribe was big enough the guy with the big muscles took over and gave orders , then the guy with brains tricked him and took over ......... and gave orders .......... then the useless sneaky ones with small brains and no muscles came and said yes you're intelligent / you have big muscles ........... but god told me i'm cool and you have to do what i say ........... or you wont go to heaven , you'll die in pain and fry in hell ,


    @ Pregnent questions ---- >

    Why is it that throughout history and all around the world .......... that the people / countrys that claim to be followers of god ......... are the most godless of all ?
     
  16. gorski

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    Why is it that throughout the world people so annoyed with injustice can't friggin' see who stands for justice and they keep attacking precisely those guys, in a good old-fashioned Stockholm syndrome manner, while resting their hopes with their captors, opponents, the right-winger, conservatives barstewards...???
     
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  17. case-sensitive

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    @ Why ?

    Why do you write so confused crap like that ?

    YOU have the stockholm syndrom ........... your the little bunny sitting frozen in the middle of the road blinded by headlights . Going round and round in circles talking the same old looser crap .

    f**k god , f**k dictators , f**k rulers . f**k one size fits all patent final solutuions that dont , never have , never will and never can work .

    AGAIN ....... just like a religeous fanatic you claim to have the universal answer to all problems ......... you claim you have a big dick but you dont put it on the table so we can measure it ( and laugh :) ) ......... all you do is make empty claims ....... with no explanation . As if you think your the conducter in an orchestra ......... and you stand above us ......... and we're sea lions being lead around by the nose and taught tricks .

    Marxism / comunism died with marx . Even engels .......... a rich capitalist that financed marx !?!? said , after marx died , that it wouldnt work .

    What came after marx ? Lenin ...... stalin ........ putin .......... NON of who were comunists . ALL are massmurdering dictators .

    The high point of comunism was castro and cuba .
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    >Communism and its little brother, Socialism

    I dissagree . Comunism is the little bastard brother of socialism . Maybe someone could coume up with a pseudo intelectual argument about when words were first used ......... but comunism is a set of fixed ideas ......... a failed universal solution ........... socialism is a direction .......... and existed hundreds ........... thousands of years before comunism . Same same with words like working class strugle ........... wich existed before that term was first used .......... example = robin hood ........... was a socialist and what he did / wanted was socialism ...... and working class strugle .
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    God is a socialist ........ In the garden of eden everything was free , there was no money , no rich people , no banks , no capitalism , no slavery .

    Jesus was a socialist ........ theres less chance of a rich person reaching the kingdom of heaven that of a camel going through the eye of a needle .
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    @ Management

    Two posibilitys = WE decide what we do .......... for the people by the people = representation ....... or .......... some nazi bastard ( poly-tricker / king / priest / dictator ) gives us orders , stears us and exploits us .

    Self representation is socialism .
     
  18. acer-5100

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    #18 acer-5100, Jul 15, 2023
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    Communism and socialism differ in details, just like two Open Source license differs each other.

    You can synthesize in two sentences

    socialism is about "from each person depending his ability, to each person depending his contribution"

    communism is about "from each person depending his ability, to each person depending his need"

    That's all, everything else is about distorting the basic idea, because ignorance or convenience.

    Back to the IT example the fact that you can use (say) the Linux kernel, even if you didn't contribute to it even with a stupid howto, puts the thing in the communist ideas realm more than socialist one.
     
  19. gorski

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    CS, change the drugs...
     
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