Safest way to install Windows 10 on a unsupported CPU Pentium 4

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  1. crewing

    crewing MDL Novice

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    I have a Gateway E4100 desktop. It has a Pentium 4 2.8ghz (single core I assume). CPU appears to be not supported. I had a 250gb hard drive disk and 2gb of ram laying around, so I wiped and installed them. 2gb is only temporary. And integrated graphics. I found out 2 optical drives wouldn't boot, so I tried a 3rd and Win7 trial installed. The problem is that 8.1 and 10 have this NX requirement. What would be the safest route to install Windows 10? Thanks.
     
  2. SAM-R

    SAM-R MDL Guru

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    The biggest problem is no Drivers
     
  3. MS_User

    MS_User MDL Guru

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    CPU dont support NX thats not very doable...besides P4 is a dinosaur....the only thing u can try is windows 10 thin pc X86 by adguard but im not sure if that will work.
     
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    Carlos Detweiller MDL Spinning Tortoise

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    Windows 10 uses NoeXecute everywhere. Don't bother. Even 8.1 is problematic at best.
     
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  5. crewing

    crewing MDL Novice

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    #5 crewing, Jan 8, 2019
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    Windows 10 thin pc X86 by adguard has links disabled.

    Are there any existing patches, that currently work?

    Yeah I would imagine drivers will be problematic.

    Last resort will be Linux Mint.

    Edit:
    I was just handed a link called DISM.
     
  6. pf100

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    Since you don't know what kind of cpu you have, I can't recommend a P4 to replace it with that has NX, but it should be not over the wattage of your current one, probably. You can get a P4 with NX very cheap on ebay (about $10). If you installed Windows 10 with NX bpypass and it actually worked, you'd have to never update again or it would overwrite the patched system files. With Windows 7, you could at least update for another year or maybe longer, plus driver support would probably be a lot better. It really doesn't make sense to put 10 on it as it is now. Since a replacement CPU is so cheap, why not replace your CPU with one that has NX if you really want Windows 10.
     
  7. ruuu7

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    What about upgrading your hardware? Would that do the trick? Just asking... ;)
     
  8. crewing

    crewing MDL Novice

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    My location: Canada

    CPU socket.
    478
    mPGA478B

    PSU:
    Newton Power Ltd
    Model, Nps-260hb a
    250watt max output.
    240watt max combined power.
     
  9. crewing

    crewing MDL Novice

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    #10 crewing, Jan 9, 2019
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    I removed all the thermal glue and keeping system unplugged.

    sL7e3

    I have more info, if thats not enough.

    The socket number was originally found by taking the heat sink off.

    I'll have to buy thermal glue, most likely.

    Edit: I noticed the one you suggested is for 775 socket, will it work on a 478?
     
  10. pf100

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    You'll have to buy thermal paste, definitely. Prescott CPU's are famous for their heat.
    This looks like your only option for socket 478 and NX, the "Intel Pentium 4 511". So just search for that on ebay.
    Good luck!
    Reference.
     
  11. crewing

    crewing MDL Novice

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    #12 crewing, Jan 10, 2019
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    Thanks for your help, so far. Can the cpu be temporally installed without thermal paste to make sure it works. Or will it wear things down or smoke. Of course attaching the heat sink and fan.

    Edit: will a 2.80A work to? Theres 2 diiferent cpus.
     
  12. SAM-R

    SAM-R MDL Guru

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    Go to your Motherboards Web Site Then look up your Motherboards version Support List of supported CPU's You then need to check to see if you need a BIOS update.
     
  13. pf100

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    #14 pf100, Jan 10, 2019
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    No

    Yes No. The "A" is 64 bit, so don't get that one.

    There is no support for a Gateway E4100 desktop. It was released in 2003. I'm just wingin' it here with my heavy hardware background. Even if the bios doesn't support a 511 it should boot with an "unknown processor" message and work fine. The voltage and clock speed is the same. It's the same CPU as what he has now except with XD (NX).
     
  14. MS_User

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    if memory serve me well before u buys a CPU NX enable he need to make sure hes BIOS supports NX if not he will just be wasting time and money. u can go to ebay and get a Dell I3 for like $55 bucks. P4 is just to old....plus hes mobo will not support win 10 drivers.
     
  15. crewing

    crewing MDL Novice

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    My system still unplugged. I remember that the bios needs upgrading. It seems like BF86510A.15A.0066.P13 is a upgrade.
     
  16. pf100

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    Where's your sense of adventure? He wants to make a socket 478 P4 work with Windows 10, and yes, drivers are probably going to be a problem. I agree that buying something more modern is super cheap and a better idea, but he might only have $10. Obviously there's a financial issue here if he's trying to run Windows 10 on a cpu from 2003. This could be a complete waste of time and money, or maybe not. We'll never know for sure until he tries.

    I wouldn't update the bios unless, like @MS_User said, there's no XD or NX option in the bios. Check that first. If the bios you have now works okay, I'd leave it alone. There's too high a chance of bricking the motherboard, unless you're %100 sure that the bios upgrade file is the correct one for your motherboard.
     
  17. MS_User

    MS_User MDL Guru

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    well best of luck to him...hes on a mission:D
     
  18. crewing

    crewing MDL Novice

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    My local tech shop said they can paste the cpu for free. I already have 2 other systems that somewhat support Win10. SSDs seem to speed up old systems. One of the 3 Rs is re-use.
     
  19. tonto11

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    Thermal paste dries out and gets hard and has to be chipped off in lumps
    as you have found out when you cleaned off your cpu.
    sometimes you will notice a laptop getting unusually hot
    same problem, paste is hardened and keeping the cpu heat from getting to the heatsink
    You should have your own tube of Arctic silver , costs about 6 bucks lasts for years

    ...T