I remember at some point both were solid tools to use when you needed to vitrualize (SP?) drives, now a days on a they include malware and bloat ware and is really a PITA to get rid of. I heard of chocolatey dot org as a way to install them cleanly but this seems like another program in of it self that I am trying to use as a last resort. I have no used it yet so I can not report on them but they seem like a legitimate tech company, kind of like ninite that they install the program cleanly with out the risk of toolbars and tricks to get you to install extra software. Do any of you guys have a way to install these tools with out the viruses or a newer program that can do the same. Basically the end goal is to mount .ISO's to virtual drives. Thank you so much guys!