[Solved] LTSB 1507 vs LTSB 1607

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  1. Andreea Esca

    Andreea Esca MDL Novice

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    I just learned today about how clean are the LTSB/C versions of Win compared to the mess they push out to consumers.

    I saw that at this moment, there are only 3 of them available: 1507, 1607 and 1803, iirc.

    Would like to give them a shot, since I spent a few dozens of hours trying to understand how to optimise Win10 and to automate it for future use (the usual fps OCD stuff).

    While browsing this forum I found out that you guys typically prefer 1607 over 1507. Why is that so? Is the UI neater? Or is it faster?

    I want to squeeze out as much performance as I can from this 5 yo laptop, that's why I'm wondering.
     
  2. Tiger-1

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    #2 Tiger-1, Nov 11, 2019
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    Hi :welcome:to MDL at your service :)
    well in my humble opinion the version 1507 contained some problems of course how every operating system newly released but all were subsequently resolved; already in version 14393 (1607) it is obvious that there was a huge difference in performance tied also to new embedded features and for reasons I do not know at the end of last year was released version 17763.1 (1809) that I am using at this time as expected is it much better than version 1607 but unfortunately to my view universal applications (UWP) remain at full steam because it is part of the NT 10 kernel of Windows or regardless of which version will all contain somehow UWP applications; so in short after a certain "job" adjusting the system at least for me is the best version is this...
    EDIT: Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC
     
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  3. Andreea Esca

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    Thank you. :) I managed to limit most of the UWP stuff by disabling some services. Stopped disabling stuff when I saw that the taskbar, Start and Settings weren't working anymore. Such a frankensteined UI. So based on your experience performance actually improved over the updates? I thought they just added more convenient/useless things.
     
  4. Tiger-1

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    hmm first I do not know which version you are using so I can not need what you disabled or limited some component to work this post I think initially you could download\install\configure the version i indicated although this is relative a time i didn't know what you're going to or won't use lol i.e. it's necessary you check what you need within the operating system I say this because depending on your purpose maybe the version "of manufactures M$FT" already take care of the message this way I won't indicate any tweak or something like that until you have confidence of what you're really going to need and use of course ok.
     
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  5. Andreea Esca

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    Had to run away from 7. Trying Pro right now because of GPO (still don't know if it's really needed or I can just .bat the registry entries automatically, with the same outcome)
    I was just fooling around trying to make it faster, but it was okay, enabled a specific service and it's all good.
    I wanted to ask you guys about which LTSC build seems the snappiest to you, because I really start to miss my barebones 7. :(
     
  6. Enthousiast

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    There is just one LTSC build, 17763.1, all deltabuild nrs (.107, 316, etcetc...) are by CU, and every CU, in the core, fixes stuff.
     
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  7. erpsterm35

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    depends on what kind of computers you have, Andreea Esca.
    post some specs of the hardware of your machines, if possible.

    for older PCs that can't handle "normal" editions of Win10, I use LTSB 2016 (v1607) because older computers handle that version okay, like my mom's old Dell Inspiron e1405 laptop from mid-2007 [Intel Core2Duo mobile T7600 2.33ghz (Merom) cpu with 4gb of RAM, Seagate 320gb HDD]

    I only use LTSC 2019 (v1809) on some newer machines because that version works well on newer hardware while some older machines (esp. old laptop PCs with Intel Yonah or Pentium M "Dothan" cpus) can not handle LTSC 2019 as that version chokes on those old mobile hardware - ltsc 2019 v1809 can never boot up with such old Intel mobile cpus

    LTSB 2015 (v1507) is hardly ever used - wouldn't use this one except when using WMC (windows media center)
     
  8. Andreea Esca

    Andreea Esca MDL Novice

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    It's a laptop with i5 4210U + GT 840m. Thanks for the insight about 1507
     
  9. AeonX

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    1507 does not support .NET 4.8 if I'm not mistaken and 1607 has fixed several bugs and in my experience has better performance. 1809 has performance similar to 1607 but for old hardware can be heavier.

    If you want something barebone 8.1 is better option :)
     
  10. Tiger-1

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    Hi bro, well no issues with .net programs let the windows own update what is necessary no issues as a bonus if the User wants to use the Aeroglass effect and also very simple, that is will all the available hardware; hmm sometimes I think the 1507/1511 version is a kind of continuation of W8.1 lol
     
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  11. AeonX

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    Hi man, I didn't like the builds before 1607 I found it slow and with a lot of bugs, it looked like it was badly finished :p I started using Windows 10 definitely with 1607, on my PC it was much faster and more stable. I was almost 3 years with this without new installation. For me it's the best version so far :D
     
  12. ashish.k

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    Don't bother with releases before v1607 and with your hardware you should be fine with LTSC v1809. Just install it and forget it. It's very stable and support till 2029.
     
  13. Tiger-1

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    #13 Tiger-1, Nov 14, 2019
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    yup bro, you know one thing honestly the day you use MSMG Toolkit V9.5 with the W10 Enterprise LTSC ISO and remember for everything to work it is necessary to use ISO 17763.1 after this work formats a usb stick in Fat32 open the ISO you just generated in toolkit with 7z copy all content for the usb stick set the boot in the bios and voila so you will be using the best Windows ever done then forget the old LTSB 2016 right IMO some doubt go to our secret place :D:p
     
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  14. AeonX

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    I am currently using LTSC 2019 but the amount of handles and processes used over LTSB 2016 has bothered me. Some services like Touch Keyboard and Handwriting Panel Service even being in manual is running all the time even though I have never used the onscreen keyboard. LTSB 2016 on VMware is slightly more responsive though on real machine I don't notice any difference. In practice I am not noticing differences in performance which leaves me in doubt which one to use :g:
     
  15. Tiger-1

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    #15 Tiger-1, Nov 14, 2019
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  16. Andreea Esca

    Andreea Esca MDL Novice

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    #16 Andreea Esca, Nov 16, 2019
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    Thank you all for the answers. :cheers: You guys rock.

    Did some benchmarks in VMware and indeed, 1607 is faster than 1507.
    @AeonX will try 8.1 right now.

    Marking as solved.
     
  17. Whiznot

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    LTSB 2016 (v1607) installs easily and runs really well on my 2008 AMD 780G chipset computer. Everything worked perfectly after a couple of Microsoft's automatic updates. If Windows 10 had the ability to record and play back protected content I could ditch Windows 7.