Still no word on Server 2025 ?

Discussion in 'Windows Server' started by LiteOS, Jul 20, 2023.

  1. LiteOS

    LiteOS Windowizer

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    new features and such
     
  2. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    What do you mean? There is a new build every 15 days or so...
     
  3. LiteOS

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    Release date and whats new
     
  4. acer-5100

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    It depends if they decide to split the releases like they did (with LTSC2021/Server2022) or if they do the saner move releasing both LTSC and Server on the same Build, like they did for two decades.

    New features? Aside Linux improvements and some Azure related things I doubt they want to make it appealing.

    Remember they sell blades now, no need to make the new razor super inviting.
     
  5. tf

    tf MDL Junior Member

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    @acer-5100 what do you mean by this please?


    I am very happy with Windows Embedded 8.1 Industry Pro (I found it based on your advice regarding Windows ThinPC and Windows 8, thank you! I am just sad why I did not find about the Windows Embedded family before), it is even more responsive and lightweight than Windows ThinPC.

    However, I want/need Windows 11 (primarly for its Sandbox feature and WSL). I have read several posts of you recommending and praising Windows Server 11 (again I never used any Server editions, just heard the name, which was a mysterious name to me and did not know it could be more performant than the consumer editions).

    In your opinion, does Windows Server 11 is more responsive/lightweight/performant than the Embedded versions of Windows 11 (i.e., Windows 11 IoT)? What is Windows Server 11 you mentioned in several posts, is it Windows Server 2022? And what is Windows Server, version 23H2 (25398.287) on UUPdump, is it Windows Server 11, or still Windows Server 2022?

    Thank you very much in advance, and I am sorry for any inconvenience shall my novice questions causes.

    Kindest regards
     
  6. acer-5100

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    I said win8/wes8 (not 8.1) are the lightest windows around as they are, and that's still valid. W11 is heavier than W10, W10 1809 is heavier than 1607 and so on.

    But it's not like we are in the 90' when Win3.11 installer was 13MB, Win95 was 35, Win95 OSR2 was over 70M and Win 98 was 128MB (a then fold increase in like 5 years)

    A cleaned up wim of win 11 is not much bigger than Vista 64, there the RAM usage is not that much different if they run in the same condition.

    Also keep in mind that the resource usage of the OS itself is less relevant than it was 10/15 years ago. But the browsers and webpages are monsters if compared to their ancestors of the same era.

    So today you can use W8 x86 that uses 600MB of RAM just to run, then open Chrome, open a couple of news websites and Chrome will consume 1GB or so.

    In short what browser you use is more relevant than what OS you use, because the real OS, nowadays is the browser

    For sure I see only usability regression with practically nothing in change. The only real improvements are WSA and WSLg, and both are backported to W10

    This is very different to what happened when W8 and W10 were introduced.

    W8 introduced way faster boot times, VHDX support, Hyper-V, deduplication...

    W8.1 introduced better deduplication, wimboot, resetbase....

    W10 introduced WSL, better deduplication, CompactOS, WSL2, the GUI for wifi hot spot mode a better RemoteFX implementation, and so on

    What W11 introduced other than WSA/WSLg mentioned above? Just an idiotic Apple like taskbar with an android like start menu...
     
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    tf MDL Junior Member

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    Yes, you are right, I remember your advice of lightness of Windows 8/WES8.

    I tried WEIP8.1 because I can use WHDownloader with abbodi1406 update lists. After all, I liked it because it is the lightest/most responsive Windows I have ever used. After a clean install (with abbodi update lists applied) it uses 360 MB of RAM. Nonetheless, I am definitely going to try W8/WES8.

    Interesting, thanks.

    I really appreciate taking your time answering my novice questions.
     
  9. LiteOS

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    Ultimate Windows Tweaker v 5
    can help and increase the gui responsiveness by not small amount

    can use PerformanceTest app to score windows interface
     
  10. acer-5100

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    Yes but that has nothing to do with tf's question. An OS can be light and unresponsive or bloated and responsive, there isn't a direct relation
     
  11. LiteOS

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    #12 LiteOS, Jul 26, 2023
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    some of the them can be categorize as tweaks
    but there same that don't change processes handles memory counts

    the highest score: 260 i got with PerformanceTest was with server 2012 R2 tweaked [was on hyper-v]
    now im on server 2022 getting 190-200 [on hw]

    i think its more about optimization
    the newer cpu is better to go with newer windows version
    cos ms and intel or amd optimized it , ms used the hw they had at the time to test and optimize
     
  12. ksio89

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    Now that you asked, I'm also wondering when (and if) Microsoft is going to release a Windows Server counterpart of Windows 11, like how it has been since Server 2008. Windows 10 codebase has originated no less than 3 Windows Server releases, not counting LTSC editions, while 11 will be 2 years old in October, and still no sign of a "Windows Server 2024/2025".
     
  13. acer-5100

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    Windows 10 is not a thing. There is W10 1507/1511/1607 and so on.

    Using the old naming scheme they had to be called Win10/W10.1/W10.2 and so on. In short there is a direct relation from a single W10 release to a single Win Server release, not three.

    The same is applicable to Win11/Sever 11 releases
     
  14. ch100

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    It all started with Windows 8/2012 and keeps on going through to Windows 11 and likely later.
    They all belong to the same grand concept with natural evolution as time goes by.
     
  15. acer-5100

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    Well no. Win8.1 is called 8.1 not win 8 "anniversary edition", they were/are roughly as different as Vista SP2 V.S. Win7, they have different activation keys and so on.

    Win 10 for the average Joe is still unchanged since 2015 even if it went trough major features (and compatibility) changes.

    The update cycle of Win 10 was just utterly stupid. It got the worst of both worlds, the traditional MS update cycle and a true rolling release OS like Arch Linux.

    Both ways have pro and cons, MS conjugated the cons of both of them (at least until 1904x which is more or less stable since 2020), for sure semi annual cycles should be matter of the past.
     
  16. ldeveraux

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    I'm still on 2022 20348, I've been waiting for a desktop experience released for whatever is after that!
     
  17. atgpud2003

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    Too Soon to know. Right now Windows Server 2022 is still currently. I am also Currently Running Windows Server 2022 Standard Edition ( paid version ) , and I also the other server are still running Windows Server 2012 r2 Standard for little longer 2 or 3 more year before I upgrade it..

    Again tell you Windows Server 2025 is too early to know yet at the this moments.

    ATGPUD2003
     
  18. acer-5100

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    Testing new features (especially server level ones) is the whole point of having prereleases in the wild, perhaps before the official release they used to have almost release builds w/o timebombs, released months before the date.

    Assuming the official release date is autumn 2024, there is practically less than one year left. But I wouldn't be that surprised if they decide to release in spring 2024 or even release it side by side with LTSC 2024 (in autumn 2023).

    What would be surprising would be seeing a new feature not yet introduced to the current prereleases, other than normal refinements to WSL/Hyper-V