Strange Boot Problem Windows 7 Ultimate

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  1. xeonight

    xeonight MDL Novice

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    #1 xeonight, Mar 18, 2010
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    I have a weird problem that i think the windows 7 'activator/loader' might have caused.
    here's my HDD setup so far:
    Partition 1: Windows 7 Ultimate (main OS, normal use)
    Partition 2: Windows 7 'Dummy' (installed because it's only way to boot into Partition 1)

    The only way to boot into partition 1, is to set partition 2 as active, then select 'Windows 7 Ultimate' on the Windows Boot Manager. If i set partition 1 as active, then reboot, the computer goes through the usual BIOS startup stuff, then there's a black screen with a blinking cursor. It's like 'the tunnel is blocked, so i bulit a road AROUND the mountain'...

    I have run the Windows 7 Install disc many times, and have run MANY commands in the repair console, including:

    bootrec.exe (bunch of different options, including /fixmbr, /fixboot)
    BCDedit (even more options, /set, /enum, /export)
    Diskpart (setting each partition as active, to see if it will boot from partition 1 or not)

    I've also ran the 'Startup Repair' thing many times also. (I've learned what ALOT of these commands can do, but still, CANNOT BOOT FROM THAT FIRST PARTITION!)
    I've also copied all the BCD and Bootmanager etc. files from Partition 2 to Partition 1 and can't see any difference in the 2 C:\Boot\BCD and D:\Boot\BCD (and w/e else there is)

    I have also tried certian things with EasyBCD (even breaking the boot process on Partition 2, but fixing it pretty easily with bootrec.exe /rebuildBCD or something like that)

    I would like to erase the second partition and get some free space for my first one, but if I do that right now, i would not be able to boot into windows at all.
    Note: i DO NOT want to reinstall windows on first partition again, i like it how it is, and want to keep it that way.

    Edit: I just remembered, about a week ago, i reinstalled Windows 7 on Partition 1 (it was time) and still didn't change this problem, i'm guessing the windows installer saw a working boot order and didn't change anything.
     
  2. alextheg

    alextheg Super Moderator
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    Try making partition 1 "primary active and boot". Delete partition 2. Boot from win7 install disc. Run command prompt then Bootrec.exe and this time use RebuildBCD. This should completely re-write your master boot record and get you booting into windows normally.
     
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  3. xeonight

    xeonight MDL Novice

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    Ok, I'll try that when i get home, i just hope that Deleting Partition 2 won't completely lose my booting ability (don't make sense that it would, but you never know)

    Is there a way possible to make the bootup process *think* that partition 2 has been removed from booting? like remove/rename certian files? or will the bootloader still see 2 partitions?
     
  4. CLoNY

    CLoNY MDL Novice

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    repair MBR as firest step
    bootrec /fixmbr
    then repair bcd
    bootrec /rebuildBCD
     
  5. alextheg

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    If you run RebuildBCD then there is no need to run FixMBR.
     
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  6. xeonight

    xeonight MDL Novice

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    #6 xeonight, Mar 30, 2010
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    I tried what you guys suggested and no luck, right now i can't boot windows (using different laptop). it seems almost as though the computer thinks it has the right place for the boot loader but when it gets there, it just kinda goes "uhhh..." (blinking cursor) this isn't after i press F8 in the windows boot manager, this is right after i select the hard drive from the boot device menu, it's not even FINDING the boot manager.

    is there some sort of small code at the beginning of the HDD that says what partitions start where and i messed it up or something?
    I found a post about someone using a windows 7 activator, and they had the same problem, and one of the responses was that "The blinking cursor only happens when your comp won't take the SLIC emulation in the grub boot code."
    I tried the suggestions in that post (besides the Preinstalled Environment, because i can't boot into windows to MAKE one...) but nothing worked, so i'm thinking there's some 'boot code' that i haven't been able to fix yet. Anyone know how i can do that? (if i can)

    P.S. Another small problem i can't figure out: when i erased the Second 'dummy' partition, it wouldn't let me resize the first one to use the now-empty space.
     
  7. sam3971

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    Did you install a loader? Some people have reported similar issues with certain loaders.
     
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  8. xeonight

    xeonight MDL Novice

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    i think i did a long time ago, like a few days after 7 came out, but i've since installed a purchased copy over that one. (the whole windows.old thing)
     
  9. sam3971

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    ok, well since you reinstalled windows 7 without a loader and the fix commands do not work I would either wait or try google to look for more potential answers or just reinstall again. I would format if you are going to do that too just to be safe.
     
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    #12 timesurfer, Mar 30, 2010
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  12. xeonight

    xeonight MDL Novice

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    ok, i tried to reinstall windows and still no luck, so, i've started wondering if there was a different way to boot windows, because it's the boot manager that's broken, so maybe i can replace it, like an alternative to windows boot manager. is there one?
    I'm not talking about a 'pre-' boot loader that just loads the windows boot manager when you pick it, i mean a completely different program to load up windows.
     
  13. timesurfer

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    You can mount if your inside windows?
     
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  14. xeonight

    xeonight MDL Novice

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    no, i can't boot windows at all, it won't even load the windows boot manager, just a blinking cursor top left of the screen
     
  15. timesurfer

    timesurfer MDL Developer

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    I read the posts and didn't see where you reboot then click F8 the repair your computer. Lets us know;)
     
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  16. xeonight

    xeonight MDL Novice

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    #17 xeonight, Apr 8, 2010
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    i've done that MANY times, and i've also done this a few times also:

    all without any change, which is why i think i need to try a different boot loader other than windows boot manager (if they exist)
     
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  18. alzaabi

    alzaabi MDL Junior Member

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    try downloading a new copy