The right to complain

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  1. KnowledgeableNewbie

    KnowledgeableNewbie MDL Member

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    just an observation not a criticism. everyone has the right to disable the keylogger or feed back as they see fit, that is a given. here is what rubs me the wrong way. the EULA states that data will be collected, although it doesn't state what or how much. this should be a red flag to everyone, but they agree any ways. remember this is a Technical Preview. usually meant for developers to install on a barebones system to see what works and what doesn't ( hardware, drivers, MS features etc. ). nothing detrimental to keylog or get from these machines. now we throw the average user into the mix. they install as the main OS on a computer with all their personal files, extra hard drives, USB sticks, their cloud storage, etc. etc. knowing that every little bit of data is being collected. granted it is everyones god given right to complain, but come on use some common sense. put it in a VM, or better still a computer with nothing else, test it as it was meant to be tested, and send feedback on OS specific things that need to be fixed, not what our personal preferences are, or what we would like included or excluded. IMHO if you install as a main OS on your main computer with all your stuff, you have no right to complain, since you did so at your own risk. myself, i installed it on my computer as second OS in a dual boot. didn't like what i saw so i uninstalled it. a few programs didn't work and it screwed up some of the permissions on my partitions. cleaned my HD, repartitioned, and went back to my old OS. may try a VM again, but will continue to monitoring the forum to gain knowledge so i can solve any problems myself before asking for a solution. just as an aside, my opinion is that this should have been given a minor build number ( 8.2 ) and not a major build number. aside from a few tweaks and maybe a few new apps or programs, it's not a major revision from 8.1. i must admit though, from my limited testing, it was a little bit faster. ok, let the flaming begin. :eek:
     
  2. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Like your post!!

    About the right's of any-and everybody, there is nothing to tell, it's just true: everybody has to chose on his own what to do or not to do!
    That MS gives everybody access to the unfinished software is for sure in first line for their own benefit because they profit from replies of test users a lot. But MS although reminds those user for to take caution because of the unfinished stage of those Test-Product and warn not to use it for other than just that!
    If anybody think that he could use it in full for any of his/her computer work, it's true, those didn't have any right for to complain if anything goes wrong and although if any of their private or business data get captured and used for other means!

    I've just recovered from an fully crash down about which I posted in my own thread on this forum. In that thread I didn't complained about the OS, even not about that even my older OS w8.1pro were affected and crashed as well. In fact, I found how to recover the old Windows back to it's normal stage, which were not possible with Windows 10TP. That will keep me from going to fast forward with blind eyes in further testing of W10TP.

    There isn't any reason for to start any flaming about the use of the Windows 10 TP, if there would any point than only about those who using that OS without any caution.
     
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  3. MrMagic

    MrMagic MDL Guru

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    Just keep typing "Get a life Microsoft and stop spying on what I'm typing" into notepad

    Everyone does that 100 times a day until RTM, they'll get the message
     
  4. Nucleus

    Nucleus MDL Guru

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    Had it running in a VM but binned it after a day or so. Nothing more than an (at the moment) horrible new start menu bolted onto Win 8.1 with a few tweaks here and there. It's much to early to be talking of this TP as a "new" Windows.
     
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  5. ChaserLee

    ChaserLee MDL Senior Member

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    I would think that anyone who did not want MS to know what's on their drives, and how they use the system, would just go to the Task Scheduler and disable the task below. Problem solved....
    [h=1]"Microsoft-Windows-DiskDiagnosticDataCollector"[/h]
     
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  6. Espionage724

    Espionage724 MDL Addicted

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    I'm a great person too! Let me stand behind you with a video camera to watch your computer habits now :cool:
     
  7. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

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    I've got nothing to hide for microsoft but I preffer my privicy not been violated ;)
     
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  8. PaulDesmond

    PaulDesmond MDL Magnet

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    one day they well invite you as a fangirl :laie:
     
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  9. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

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    Guess depends on how you look at it here in europe they had too pay many fines for violating rules :D
     
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  10. TONSCHUH

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    I think the Gov's which force ISP's to store data for at least 6 (?) month and the courts which are allowing all pseudo-copyright-layers to have a look into that data, that are the really bad guys.

    After I used eMule for maybe 2 weeks in Oz and started a game-download, which I never finished, I got via my ISP an e-mail with very precise protocols and an attached infringement notice from the US-based game-dev / publisher.

    I had to visit a special website, where I had to promise that I had deleted every illegal content from my system, including eMule and that I would never ever do something like that again, otherwise they would pull me in front of the court and my ISP would kick me out of the contract.

    So US-based companies are spying on Aussies with the help of Aussies ?

    Why should I be then concerned about M$ spying on me ?

    :tea:
     
  11. endbase

    endbase MDL Guru

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    I live in Holland and also here are the rules changing it was never prohibed to donwload illigal content and now they pulled up a law that it is forbidden Haha I guess even politicians feel the heat of big compagnies who want to let you to pay for every fart they let out :D
     
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  12. Garbellano

    Garbellano MDL Addicted

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    NO, WRONG. You DONT have the right to disable any keylogger they plant. In any case, you tweek the OS to disable ONE of the feedback they have INSTALLED BY DEFAULT AND WITHOUT ANY CHANCES TO DISABLED IT OR OPT-OUT.
    And they DONT HAVE THE RIGHT to TAKE, as an excuse, ALL YOUR PRIVATE DATA. If I were in a big company I would force to ALL my employees to NOT TO INSTALL ANY M$ PRODUCT, EVER. There are FREE and TRUSTED alternatives. If the german goverment said its INSECURE, when they were talking about 8, imagine now...
     
  13. LiteOS

    LiteOS MDL Expert

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    privacy is most basic law u cant make Eula to app with keylogger enabled without able to disable it

    its must be knowledge the user and be able to choose options after install the app

    Microsoft way is unlawful

    Windows 10 TH right now is like Keylogger app cos there no option to disable it

    EULA is not way to bypass the law
    the law still apply in this situation
     
  14. pisthai

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  15. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    You're wrong!

    First at all: Windows 10 TP isn't a product sold by Microsoft, it is still 100% owned by MS who gave the User's no more that than the allowance for to use and test it for free under the supervision of the developer (MS!) and according to the attached EULA.
    Even that OS is sold as finished product, it's NOT the product (the OS) which is sold, just the License for to use as long as the user abite to the attached License Agreement! Nobody owns onwe of the software they ever bought, just the license for use it, with one exception only: You're the developer of that software you use!
    None of the License Agreements and EULA's are unlawful, even if we feel like that!

    If you don't like that and/or think that's unlawful, it's just up to you to use or deny to use it and file/open an Law case against the developer, is as easy as that.

    Good Luck.
     
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  16. LiteOS

    LiteOS MDL Expert

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    #16 LiteOS, Oct 13, 2014
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    its doesn't matter what EULA says or its not finished product and not for sell

    apps shouldn't be with keylogger build-in
    apps + keylogger => keylogger ... unlawful

    and no matter what the reason

    if its for NSA's reasons like save the plant from catastrophe,economic depression WW3....
    its more then premitable


    privacy is basic law cant be bend to other contracts like EULA or any kind of form
    its always should be knowledge to user and have ability to choose

    its like i have service u want/need
    and i tell u if u want it i have to place cameras in ur house

    the cameras in the house always need to be insulate from anything
     
  17. zen45

    zen45 MDL Senior Member

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    I installed it on my spare computer, ran it for a couple of days and had a few problems with it, then removed it after letting send info about crashes to ms :cool: , I then ran my acronus and redid my old sys until another upgrade on 10 mabe in dec or jan and try again, now I agree to let ms monitor programs and hardware on their test systems because it improves the finished product !! isn't this what everybody wants !! o_O why would you save nude pictures of your girlfriend on a test system or any thing else for that matter !!! I would be more concerned about the finished product spying on me so quit bitching about a test product and worry about the finished product :mad:
     
  18. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Sorry, you're still totally wrong: You do NOT have any Right on something which isn't your's! Period!

    Only, and really only if you're the Owner of something, you could tell What to do with it, or How, or What it could include, or What should not be inside and, and, and!

    That is simple basic law! Which will all time overturn the law of Privacy!
     
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  19. Yen

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    IMHO actually nobody really can agree with the EULA and to go on installing w10 TP. Why?
    Because nobody really knows what exactly is transferred. So how can one judge about at all without to know what it is? How can one accept / deny something without to know what it is?

    Nobody really can judge if it is spying, 'paranoia', 'OK'....
    I have no problem with the idea to integrate a feature that transfers information how I use a product to help developers to improve it. These are personal data, because they include personal results (how I personally use it, which hardware, how long, which apps....), so it concerns privacy!!!

    I want to have a look at what it exactly is and then to decide if I submit!!!
    I have to presume that they are not interested that the end user knows what it is and that's why I say it is spyware.

    I don’t care about the EULA of M$. It is an US American company, but the laws where I live are made by the local lawmakers, I have to care about those alone.

    And it is M$ who wants to have something from me! My help for their product, so they have to disclose what they transfer!

    So I have taken my consequences and have decided not to install it.
     
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  20. LiteOS

    LiteOS MDL Expert

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    #20 LiteOS, Oct 13, 2014
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    if i want to change something i will
    cos that my system
    its my cpu my resources i choose what i want to run and what not
    if i wanna block ads from working to save power , cpu cycles i can
    and if i like to block something from running cos what reason i think i will and i allow

    if i choose to stop the system to write something to disk i can
    and send to internet i can and allow

    cos my internet is mine and resources is mine

    ur believe system is pointless