Upgrading to Win10, yes and maybe not ...

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by solo_voyager, Nov 11, 2017.

  1. solo_voyager

    solo_voyager MDL Novice

    Aug 5, 2009
    With only a bit over 2 years until MS scraps Win7, I think it's time to finally take a close hard look at Win10.
    I tried the free 7 to 10 upgrade way back when, and ended up going back to 7, mainly because of the controversy over the call-home security/privacy issues.

    I have to figure out Win10 because I will need to upgrade my galfriend's PC.
    I will probably upgrade mine also, but will dual boot it with a Linux flavor to seen if a change over could work for me.

    I admit that I am completely ignorant about Win10 in its present state, Redstones(?), call-home, the last Windows version(?), and so on.

    I believe my knowledge of the state of Win10 is too sparse to get the info and answers I'm looking for in one post.
    Can any one point me towards posts and/or articles that can enlighten me?
  2. kgtuning

    kgtuning MDL Member

    Aug 26, 2015
    There are so many good posts on this site. I like win10 enterprise ltsb.. no store, no cortana and no feature updates. I also run shutup10 for any other privacy issues.
  3. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

    Oct 30, 2009
    #3 Enthousiast, Nov 11, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 11, 2017
    Latest official windows 10 = 16299.15
    If the system came with win 7 pre-installed it most likely will contain a slic table and you can upgrade (or go the gatherosstate route) to 10 and still get a free HWID (if this was done previously and the hardware (mobo, in general) has not changed, the HWID will still be valid and you can simply directly clean install windows 10).

    If your system came with win 7 Home Premium and contains a valid slic, you even can use one of the Ultimate or Pro keys from DAZ' Windows Loader's keys.ini file to upgrade to 7 Pro or Ultimate by using the anytime upgrade option and it will still be genuinely activated, when you do that and you either upgrade or go the gatherosstate route you will get a HWID for 10 Pro too.
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  4. solo_voyager

    solo_voyager MDL Novice

    Aug 5, 2009
    #4 solo_voyager, Nov 12, 2017
    Last edited: Nov 12, 2017
    Both our PCs are home built my me.
    Win7Ult. is installed as an OEM on both PCs.
    I added the SLIC tables and certificates.
    If I need to, I can do it again.

    I did the Win10 Pro upgrade on my setup back about Sept, 2015.
    Then, right afterwards did a clean install.
    Then, I ripped it out and went back to Win7.
    I May have updated or reinstalled my UEFI since then.
    I did something with it, but not sure what it was now.
    But, it is still an OEM install.

    Hey, I'm in my mid 70's.
    Don't give me a bad time.
    My memory isn't what it used to be.

    I need to figure out which version I want to install on each PC.
    Chances are I'll upgrade to the Pro edition on hers, then do a clean install.
    I may want something else on mine, and do a clean install of that one, with the modifications needed to make it an OEM install.

    Some of my notes from the Win10 upgrade seen to indicate that I cannot use BitLocker after doing the upgrade.
    There are other things I need to learn before I make my decisions on what and how I'll go about it.

    That's why I want to fully understand what the situation is with Win10.
    I want to get it right, exactly the way I want it the first time.
  5. Katzenfreund

    Katzenfreund MDL Expert

    Jul 15, 2016
    16299.19 actually, at least for Home edition.

    You can't continue to live in the past, and the earlier you start learning Win10 the better. If you leave transition too late, you never know what might happen to complicate it. Regarding the privacy issue, imho too much noise is being made without tangible adverse consequences. Moreover, W7 & W8 updates have more or less brought their monitoring up to the level of 10.

    I wouldn't even advise you to mess about with two systems, just take the jump. I managed it directly from XP, so I don't see why it should be so hard for more recent Windows.

    As for posts, there are an awful lot, too many to go thru easily and meaningfully. I think you'd be better off first learning the ropes from an ebook in a systematic manner. You can then answer individual remaining questions by searching here of posting your query.
  6. s1ave77

    s1ave77 Has left at his own request

    Aug 15, 2012
    Latest ISO/ESD/UUP is 16299.15. 16299.19 is after installing october CU, might change today.
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  7. solo_voyager

    solo_voyager MDL Novice

    Aug 5, 2009
    My galfriend is pretty much a straight arrow.
    Privacy is not much of a concern to her.
    She uses FB and a few other socials that I never go near at no loss to me.
    The Pro version will suffice for her.

    I'm coming of the opinion that I will probably go with the LTSB version and continue on with my usual practices,
    which, from what I've seen, will be a good mesh.
    Might try one or some of the call-home blockers along with it.

    I prize my privacy and refuse to acquiesce to the growing invasion of it that has become common and accepted by many.
    I will always resist, and the game keeps me on my toes.

    There is no big hurry to make the change.
    I will continue to look into it, and will be coming back with my questions.
    Thanks folks.
  8. wyatt23

    wyatt23 MDL Member

    Apr 2, 2017
    solo-voyager, i would stick with your current os(unless its w10 of any edition) then switch to w10 only when hardware/software dictates. Remember, ltsb2019(or whatever the f**k they will call it) iss due in just over a year away, and what you learn about ltsb2016 may not apply to the 2019 abomination, i mean version.
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  9. solo_voyager

    solo_voyager MDL Novice

    Aug 5, 2009
    #9 solo_voyager, Jul 8, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2018
    Well, my PC died.
    I've put a new one together and installed Win10 LTSB with KM Spico.
    It's only been a couple of days and Win Updates has already put over 300 updates on here.
    Granted, 304 of them have been for the Office install, only 8 have been for Win10.
    But, still!
    I am definitely going to take a long look at a Linux flavor.
    After going over to the Linux forum and taking a quick look, I'm reminded of why I always walked away from Linux every time I gave it a try.
    It still looks as if it'll be easier to rassle Win10 to the ground than to learn Linux.

    In the mean time.
    Where can I find good ways to tie and gag Win 10 as thoroughly as possible?
  10. ThomasMann

    ThomasMann MDL Expert

    Dec 31, 2015
  11. Kim100

    Kim100 MDL Senior Member

    Jun 17, 2009
  12. fatalgod

    fatalgod MDL Novice

    Feb 21, 2010
    newbie here, i have free update window 7 to window 10, but dont know which version; which i could not find any cmd/administrator for window 7
  13. solo_voyager

    solo_voyager MDL Novice

    Aug 5, 2009
    #13 solo_voyager, Jul 10, 2018
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2018
    I have applied O&O Shutup10 portable, then applied all the stops.
    I have updated it once so far.

    I'm working on a BIOS mod for my Win7 install.
    If I can get it together, I'll make an image of the WIn10 LTSB install, then install the Win7 image over it to use for a while longer.
    I've avoided Win10 for so long that I find it very hard to be comfortable with it.

    @ ThomasMann
    I spend a lot of time under the hood of my PC, mostly the hardware, but I will tackle OS and and software problems too.
    Plus, I get a lot of satisfaction in getting a problem figured out, even if I need to ask for help.
    I have a working install of Win10 LTSB and an image of it.
    Now I want to get my Win7 install back on and running.

    I just cannot get past the changes in dealing with the OS that go with Linux.
    Even more important is the loss of the use of Adobe apps.
    I find it very hard to believe that GIMP can equal the effectiveness of PS in a toe to toe, nose to nose comparison.
  14. ThomasMann

    ThomasMann MDL Expert

    Dec 31, 2015

    I think the point is, that we belong to different generations and live in different worlds.
    To me a computer is a tool to do the things with, which I actually want to do. I will not do anything to "improve" my computer, four years ago I added an SSD, that was all.
    For me there is no discussion possible about an OS that is given as free, but has all kind of BS in it in return. Nowadays I even refuse to have conversations about the subject with people who use Win10. Sheer waste of time.... they may f**k up our world, but what to do, there is too many of them, using even Google and Facebook.
    Win 10 has NO advantage over Win 7 and even your Win10 LTSB has to be re-activated every three months? and completely renewed after a while? (Maybe I misunderstood that ....)

    At the moment I see no reason why I should leave Win7, even after the end of support. I have used it without any AV for years, check it occasionally with malwarebytes, the Kaspersky Removal tool or emsisoft. And in spite of visits to all kinds of questionable sites, NOT ONCE did I have a problem.

    But before I install Win10 I will learn Linux. heise just had a magazne out that comes with the latest Mint and the whole magazine full of instructions for Linux beginners. If I have to, I can....
  15. MS_User

    MS_User MDL Guru

    Nov 30, 2014
    make sure your HW has compatible drivers before u venture on the upgrade a lot of people get into trouble with older HW reaching its limitation.. good luck.
  16. erpsterm35

    erpsterm35 MDL Addicted

    May 27, 2013
    Win10 LTSB can re-activated later on after about 6 months.
  17. solo_voyager

    solo_voyager MDL Novice

    Aug 5, 2009
    With Spico installed my experience so far has been "set it and forget it".
    At least it's been that way for my office install on Win7.
    I expect it to be the same for both the Win10LTSB and Office installs.

    I tried putting WIn7 on this new build.
    I added a modded BIOS, then installed Win7 as a new clean install and from an image.
    Neither works, too many problems, put Win10 back on.
    I fought it for a day and a half before admitting that it isn't viable.

    The new build is for photo and video work as well as wading through the i-net mud holes.
    I think it's too much for a LInux install, wasteful of capability.
    Win10, if I can keep it under control, will do the job nicely.
    I have disabled almost all the bells and whistles.
    I won't miss them as I never use them anyway.

    Some one out there will always be working on keeping Win10 bound and gagged.
    I'll just have to stay on top of the state of the art.
    Phuch M$.
  18. solo_voyager

    solo_voyager MDL Novice

    Aug 5, 2009
    I find that I make upgrade add-ons as hardware improves.
    I added PCI & e cards to get more SATA III ports over SATA II, more USB 3.0 over 2.0, SSDs and SATA III HDDs, and so on,
    I want to get more done in less time with less effort.
    All my add-on slots were full.of cards.
    Now, all there is is the new graphics card.
    I'm ready to begin upgrading again.
    The new hex-core CPU is noticeably faster than my old quad.
    The graphics card upgrade while not a large one, is also noticeable and enhances the Adobe app functioning.
    It is probably nothing more than a continuation of the old change out the 2 barrel for a 4 barrel, add a Mallory dual ignition, bore it out, shave the heads, change the cam and so on.

    It looks as if the new build requires Win10.
    It is no longer a choice for me.
    The hardware has dictated the need.
    Acquiescing to the fact does not mean that I am happy with it.
    All it means is that I'll need to adapt sooner than I had anticipated.

    I knew if I waited long enough, someone would find ways to deal with the things I disliked most about moving to the next level.
    I value my privacy over most everything else, and do not like someone monetizing it for their and other's benefit.
    Probably my greatest loss of privacy are my purchasing habits on Amazon and eBay.
    Otherwise, I keep a very low profile.
    I rarely use Google anymore.
    I never use social media.
    I use a VPN for almost everything.
    It's running right now.
    I don't consider myself fanatical.
    But, I do take some care.
    Privacy is my concern with Win10, nothing else.