W11 installed on 10year Acer Laptop

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  1. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    W11 installed on 10year Acer Laptop

    Needless to tell that this 10-year-old Laptop is (according to MS) not suitable for use Windows 11 on it!

    As the title said! Not satisfied yet! A lot of small problems too!
    The UI is looking good, no questions about that! But that's just the looking!

    OK, I used to download the Windows 11 ISO from Microsoft. Created 3 Registry entries on the main installed Windows 10 Pro and used the Setup.exe from the Sources Folder to start the install. Upfront of the install of W11, I created a 146GB Partition on the same SSD as the Windows 10 Pro, without formatting that partition or even gave the drive letter to it.
    The installing of Windows 11 went just well and finished in 40min. Just to mention, the main Windows 10 Pro, was clean installed yesterday, with just a very few needed apps. So, nothing special. I also created an extra Partition of 165GB on the HDD to use to place some software etc. to it for use by both OSes.
    On that Data Drive, I placed a few apps to install on both OSes. It went fine for Windows 10 Pro but Windows 11 Pro! The problem started as I was trying to install the same apps on W11, just impossible and those apps are even not more readable, even not from Windows 10 Pro!

    The next step now will be, I'll create a USB HDD or a Flash Drive with apps on it to install on Both OS. Let see how that will go.

    One thing I did not found, is how to change the Date and Time Format to 24h instead of AM/PM!

    Again, I'm not satisfied yet!
     
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  2. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    One day is gone and I'm still not satisfied with Windows 11 Pro!

    Both of the two OSes, Windows 11 Pro and Windows 10 Pro 21H1, running on the same SSD with the size of the Partitions, both ~146GB. Also on both the same apps are installed. The 10-year-old Laptop is an Acer Aspire 4752G with 8GB of RAM and SSD 480GB, build year 2011! CPU is an Intel I5, with NO TPM or secure boot!

    There is quite some difference between these two OSes! Overall, the Windows 10 Pro is running way better on the Internet. Ok, I forget to mention that I used on both OSes just local accounts, NOT MS accounts! The biggest hurdle till now is the MS Store! For to check the speed of the Internet connection I use the Ookla Speedtest and download that app via the MS Store. On Windows 10 it's just a matter of a minute to download, install and first run. On Windows 11 it has needed more than an hour to just get it downloaded, just the install was running normally.
    The problem with Windows 11 simply was the not available MS Account! I had to restart the download of that app many times and always it hanged while W11 asked for the MS Account! There was not any way to bypass, or whatsoever, just at one moment, after an hour of trying, the download started, but much slower as on W10.
    I have a 300/300Mbps Internet connection and could normally download with a speed of 40+ MBs, on W11 that download was just 7-10MBs! Also, the Ookla Speedtest runs not as smooth on W11 as on W10!
    I installed it on both MS Office 2019 and that went on W10 with no problems and very fast, about 15min include Activation! On W11 it was a totally different 'game'! Needed to install and re-install several times until I was able to activate it!
    OK, I use a VL Version of Office 2019 because I use it for my Company and we have our own legit KMS Server. I never had activation problems before and the service from MS Thailand was useless too because they told me that they're not doing any Services for no released OSes! Thank you, MS!

    I'm now thinking not to go further and wait firstly for October after the OS will be finally released by MS! And if MS is not stepping back with their new Requirement Policies, I may be done with them!
     
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  3. ceo54

    ceo54 MDL Addicted

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    In the older versions, this is the key that controls the settings. It might still be the same on Windows11

    Code:
    [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\International]
    "sLongDate"="dd MMMM yyyy"
    "sShortDate"="dd-MM-yyyy"
    "sTimeFormat"="HH:mm:ss"
    "sShortTime"="HH:mm"
    "sYearMonth"="MMMM, yyyy"
    "iFirstDayOfWeek"="0"
    "iFirstWeekOfYear"="0"
     
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  4. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    @ceo54: Thanks for your answer.
    I already found how to change that format in W11.

    As for changing those formats, it also applies to many other settings, etc that quite some more steps are needed to get something changed and or added, etc! In W10 that is much easier and faster!

    But I came around with another problem a few hours ago. I could not access the BIOS of this Laptop, neither the BIOS Setup itself with either DEL or F2 nor to start the BIOS Boot Manager to boot from bootable USB and more. I tried with an external USB Keyboard (even with disconnecting the Laptops Keyboard!), just the same outcome: not any BIOS action is working! I also took out the SSD with the two installed OSes and connected a normal HDD, any BIOS action isn't possible!

    Both Windows 10 Pro 21H1 and Windows 11 Pro both installed on the same SSD, working as they should. I just could not boot from USB, DVD or HDD in an "DVD' Caddy!

    How that could be happen and be solved? Thanks for any useful answer.
     
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  5. ceo54

    ceo54 MDL Addicted

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    Sorry, I don't have a clue. If you changed the storage devices that means it's not related to OS.
     
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  6. colinzim

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    Maybe:

    Start Menu, select Update and Security.
    Move to ‘Recovery’ from the left menu.
    Click on 'Restart' under the Advanced Startup. This reboots your computer to a special menu
    Choose to Troubleshoot.
    Move to the Advanced Options.
    Select UEFI Firmware settings and finally click on Restart.
     
  7. pisthai

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    @ceo54:
    I think the problem is directly BIOS-related! As of the installation of Windows 11 on the extra Partition on the same SSD as Windows 10 Pro 21H1 are already installed and running, for Windows 11 Pro the setup created in the Windows Boot Manager the name Windows 10 for the Windows 11 Pro installation. I, therefore, used the following command: bcdedit /set {current} description "Windows 11" from within running Windows 11 on CMD (as Admin). That worked fine and after the restart, the Windows Boot Manager showed the correct names for those two entries. Not any other special system changes were done.

    After some hours of adjusting Windows 11 and install the same apps as in Windows 10, I tried to boot from a bootable USB-HDD and could not. Then tried to open the BIOS with the normal F2 key, not possible, the laptop jumped directly to the Windows Boot Manager! Also, the DEL key didn't work to access the BIOS! I finally found out, after many tries, how to boot from a bootable USB device in an unusable way! The normal key to boot from USB is the F12 key at the Laptop. To boot from USB, I need to start the Laptop and as the Windows Boot Manager appears, I need to hold down the ECS key until the screen is black, then press also the F12 key and release the F2 key after that, then wait for to boot to the USB and release the F12 key too! In that way, I could now boot from a USB. I haven't checked with a DVD yet, with the DVD Caddy and inserted HDD, that did not work. So, only from USB, it's possible to boot that unusable way!

    @colinzim:
    This laptop did not have UEFI and/or Secure Boot! The command you wrote didn't work. Sorry, just thanks for your effort to help.
     
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  8. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    What's the reason I created this topic?

    It's really easy, I like to just show what is working for me on my own system and machines! That info may give others the possibility to come around similar or even the same problems I had and may solve already!

    On another forum than MDL, where I'm a Global Moderator, my Nickname is Mister Imperfect! And that's what I'm really: Imperfect! And I like to be just like that, not to claim to know everything better! I'm in the middle of the Seventy and still being learning!

    If I talk about something I've done, I just talk about my own experiences, about things with were working for me on my own property, whatsoever the was! Not talking to others that those what they have done isn't good, or didn't work, should be not be done like this and so on! and I would never claim to no what others have done on their system, etc as this is done already many times by one Member, and some other members of this forum too!

    I would also not tell that the posts of others are lame, as it was just done by one member of this forum!

    Objectivity is that what I'm like! Not the opposite! I've nothing against any friendly conservation and/or discussion and would always help if I could, but attack, accuse, etc others and show I know something or even everything better!!
     
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  9. TigTex

    TigTex MDL Senior Member

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    Because you have a lot of benchmarks done, I'm interested in seeing how would Windows 7 perform on that laptop. I'm guessing it would perform better than Win10 and 11 while still be compatible with everything you do.
    Let's not forget that Windows is just an operating system. It just needs to be able to run your apps with minimal effort, be compatible with your current devices, have low overhead and be secure. The latest is not always the greatest and your example is perfect.
     
  10. itsmemario1

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    Howdy partner.

    I put Windows 11 on my 2012 Acer Aspire ONE 722-C6Cbb: [AO722 Acer JE10-BZ]

    Model NO: P1VE6
    AMD C-60 APU (Ontario)
    1 GHZ (Boost Max 1.333 GHz or 1.36 GHz with BIOS mod)

    HD 6290 (Wrestler)

    120GB SSD - Boosted to 8GB RAM

    It has the latest BIOS V1.11 (09/25/2012) [there is also a BIOS mod which I havent dared to try yet)


    Except for youtube, which is quite laggy in the 1st minute, its, of course, a bit slow. But a great typewrite and email machine.
     
  11. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    #11 pisthai, Sep 5, 2021
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    Nice one, but what do you mean by 256MB "unlocked" ?

    I cant imagine the Netbook only using 8 MB of the VRAM...afaik it was always set to 256 in BIOS and still is. (?)

    Wrestler2.jpg
     
  13. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    @itsmemario1:
    In the original BIOS, the Video RAM of this Laptop was fixed to 8MB, not changeable. Now I have 256MB fixed, unchangeable! I had pictures from that, but those are gone quite some time already.

    The other main change with the BIOS mod was to get the Advanced and Power Menus visible and useable.
     
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  15. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    I already installed Windows 11 on a Netbook Acer Aspire One 722, with AMD C60 CPU (2 x 1GHz (turbo 1366GHz) and 8GB RAM, which works fine, just slower than Windows 10 Pro 21H1, which I upgraded to Windows 11 Pro! The HDD using its a Samsung 750 SSD with 250GB, 4 years old. The AO722 is from 2012/02/09 nearly 9 years old.

    I'll wait for October 5. and see what happens at that data and thereafter! The same applies to the Laptop Acer Aspire 4752G, which also runs with Windows 11 Pro, in Dual Mode with Windows 10 Pro 21H1. Both of these machines are not supported to run Windows 11 at all!
     
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    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Overall, I'll be awaiting the release of Windows 11, after that, I'll decide what way I'll go! At this time, I'll not buy new hardware, what I have still worked fine and also fast with Windows 10 Pro 21H1.

    Regarding those Netbook Acer Aspire 722, I plan to finally install Zorin Os 16 Pro, which will work much faster than even Windows 10 Pro!

    A new Laptop will be bought the next year. The problem with buying new Computer Hardware is simply Tax-related because all of that staff is owned by my company. We have a bit of strange Tax Law in Thailand and I've to follow the Rules!

    And just because just of a new OS, that's not necessary to replace well-working hardware before they're freed by the countries Tax Law! And that also applies to myself, I really did not see any need to change what I still use with no problems daily in my company and for myself!
     
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  19. itsmemario1

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    I went for Elementary OS 5.1 about 2 months ago.

    I tried Puppy Linux.

    Yes, its all "nice" and stuff, its faster compared to windows, but somehow I went for Windows 11 on this old Netbook now. @_@

    Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 also were faster on this device. Times have changed... ;)
     
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    #20 itsmemario1, Sep 20, 2021
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    Windows 11 (22000.51 fixed) running on a 2008 Intel Mainboard.


    -Intel Atom 330 CPU (1.6GHz)
    -2GB of DDR2-RAM
    -Intel GMA 950 integrated graphics - 82945G Express Chipset (WDDM 1.0) official working driver


    Installed Windows 11 on some SSD, just to plug it into some old systems I got today.

    It booted normally, but slow, on this Intel PC-Mainboard (D945GCLF2) from 2008.

    Copying stuff from USB is embarassing slow, but everything windows-related works...but slow.

    Even youtube can be watched close to normally.