What will you do if.

Wat actually works and they shutdown mods and loaders? With the new approach and possibly EFI it is going to get tougher. I think that bios mods are going to be the next priority and I think it is going to become very difficult if not impossible to defeat the SLP with bios mods. I think loaders will eventually be the only method that works.

Question is, if I am right what will you do? My suggestion is this, the very nature of the people who frequent this place means that you are the type of person who loves to beta test, and play with windows for the sake of playing with it. If it gets to that point I suggest you buy a technet or msdn account, maybe even pool together with a friend or two to make it cheaper.

I know this will be an unpopular question, but think about it. They have already managed to make the preactivated disks the mass producers sell on ebay useless, won't take long before word gets out and most people stop buying them. It has been discussed ad-naseum that bios mods and mismatches are easy to spot, they put that function there for a reason. I think it is going to come down to how well a person can mod their board or how good Daz's loader can lie to WAT.

Wanted to ad that there will probably be shady shop owners who are selling bios modded computers or using loaders will be going to jail when MS catches up to them. I shop owner here, many years ago was caught selling MFE editions and OEM editions as full retail, they didn't lock him up but made him agree to never operate a computer shop again.

 

It isn't a stupid question, it is just a question you don't want asked. Windows 7 is already cracked, they can never stop the exploits that already work. The correct answer isn't rearms, it would be more like "turn off updates" or "don't install WAT".

All the loaders or mods that worked the day that RTM hit the street will work forever, if you don't update and windows 7 needs few updates so far. I thought that was why the safe updates sticky exists, because someone back then was already asking this question.

This question wasn't meant to inflame anyone, though it will. It was meant to show people that they are really worried about nothing and that anything that happens will be with windows 8 or beyond. Everything you see MS doing is just exploring possibilities for windows 8, killing off the mass marketers of bogus disks, and "encouraging" a few people to "get legit", they will not stop the enthusiasts with windows 7 and they know it.

 

Hung Kwan, this wasn't an invitation for you to chime. You have nothing usefull to ad to the dialog. You were wrong in August and September and anything you say to day will still be wrong.

 

It works now, it will work forever unless you install an update that defeats the rearm the rearm trick (hint, don't install the update). Does MS pay you?

 

Exactly, it is nothing. You don't get my point HK, 7 is allready cracked, it is too late. All someone has to do is not update and they have beaten WAT. Sure, they may not be able to use MSE but for many that is a very small price to pay. Now, I promise that I will try my very, very best to not respond to anything else you have to say.

 

It isn't contradictory at all, MS said before that the responsibility for the bios mods falls in the laps of the manufacturers and that they are working on a solution for future platforms, 7 is not a new OS, windows 8 will be. The challenge will be whether the EFI bios and the windows 8 version of slp can be modded at the hardware level. I think it may be easier to lie to the system with loaders than it will be to mod the new bios but only time will tell.

Either way, the challenge isn't windows 7, MS has already lost that. The challenge will be windows 8 and I can't wait for the beta.

 

Cool, cool, will definitely do that.

 

I just asked a question and you are reading way more into than is really there. BUT I personally do want the asshats in shops who screw over customers to go to jail, What they do and what the enthusiast does are completely different. I did ask a hypothetical question because I am curious about what MS is trying to do now and what it will mean for windows 8.

MS has been trying to ram activation down our throats for 10 years and for 10 years those who are intrepid enough to fight back have been able to do so. Windows 8 is a couple years off and I am not trying to spread FUD, and I have made it plain that this does not apply to windows 7 so don't insinuate that this question is anything other than what I said it was.

Is that enough disclaimer for you? If not, too bad.

One other note, I don't mind paying for Windows, I don't do this because of the money issue, I am just diametrically opposed to activation, always have been, always will be. I pay for the Windows I use and I feel everyone who can should however I will not play the retail activation game with MS. I will go Linux first.

 

Just telling you that your synopsis was wrong.

As you said, it's bull$hit