Here we go again. I download updates through WHDownloader and I delete superseded ones, but I don't understand whether Baseline updates, like Update 3, already include all previous hotfix updates, general updates, security updates, etc... Do they? If I install Murphy's November 2014 release and then install the 700Mb Update 3 + 2 other Update 3 files, then will that cover ALL previous updates? It seems that even though I only use a single language, default English (US), Windows makes me reinstall old updates after I install new ones, which supposedly already include the old ones that Windows tells me to re-install! Here's a set of questions that badly needs a set of answers: 1. Does Microsoft Windows Update provide all the necessary updates one needs or are there still beneficial updates that can only be downloaded with WHDownloader??? 2. Would Windows allow you to install an update that was included in a bigger roll-up update that has already been installed onto a system? 3. Do baseline updates include Security, General, Hotfix, Additional, and Extra updates or only General Updates? 4. Would Windows 8.1 Update 3 roll-up (3 files) be the only update needed if I were to perform a clean installation of Windows 8.1 Pro, using the Almighty's Murphy's November 2014 Release? I am not running a server or Virtual Machine or anything other than pure desktop PC for gaming using English (US) language. 5. Does Update 3 include NET Framework 3.5, 4.5.2, and etc. updates? 6. I'll be your slave for life if you would list the exact updates I would need to install after installing Murphy's release and running Update 3 (3x updates). That includes NET Framework Updates, General, Security, Hotfix, Additional, and Extra updates! Here's the info on his release: Servicing Stack Update: KB2989647 Added updates: KB2899189, KB2920189, KB2950153, KB2954879-v2, KB2956575, KB2958262, KB2959626-v2, KB2961072, KB2962140, KB2964718, KB2965142, KB2967917, KB2969817, KB2971203, KB2971239, KB2971850, KB2972280, KB2973201, KB2973351, KB2976536, KB2976897, KB2977292, KB2977765, KB2978041, KB2978126, KB2978668, KB2979576, KB2981580, KB2981655, KB2988948, KB2990967, KB2992611, KB2993958, KB2998174, KB2998527, KB3002885, KB3003057, KB3003743, KB3004150, KB3005607, KB3006178, KB3006226, KB3008188, KB3008627, KB3010788, KB2934018, KB2959977, KB2934520, KB2955164, KB2965500, KB2962409, KB2980654, KB2975719, KB2979582, KB2990532, KB2993100, KB2993651, KB2977174, KB2984006, KB2994897, KB2995004, KB2995518, KB2995388, KB2996799-v2, KB3003667 Embedded-Only update: KB2932074 That is a LOT of updates. Previous releases did not have nearly as many. I was hoping that the above list covers practically all updates there ever were for Windows 8.1! I was hoping for an early December release, but that won't happen AFAIK.