why new cpu support only windows 10

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by LiteOS, Feb 10, 2017.

  1. LiteOS

    LiteOS MDL Expert

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    why new cpu support only windows 10
    is it a feature ? If so why it can just be disable and work on older version
     
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  3. LiteOS

    LiteOS MDL Expert

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    #3 LiteOS, Feb 10, 2017
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    New intel cpu is not new or revolution tech
    its berly make 10% improvement to older processor

    making support to older OSs should be easy like disabling service
    there no real reason just to push us to use this toy looking os
     
  4. Espionage724

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    #4 Espionage724, Feb 10, 2017
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    AMD Zen will work on Windows 7 (confirmed by AMD), and if I recall correctly, someone here was running Windows 7 with Kaby Lake too.
     
  5. iFlaX

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    The reasons for this is because of Microsoft. Simple as that. Sure Windows 10 has some features that only the new CPU's can handle, and of course logically the new CPU's can also work on older versions of Windows, but Microsoft doesn't want that, so i can only assume that for a price, AMD and Intel will only support Windows 10 with the new CPU's. I'm also positive that they want the same with new GPU's.
     
  6. LiteOS

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    #7 LiteOS, Feb 10, 2017
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    I hope there will be a way to use pro key on ltsb so users wont need to upgrade each 8 months and have thier OS installing and pushing toy games neverendly
     
  7. burfadel

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    Adding support for new hardware on a deprecated OS is silly. No other company does that for any software or hardware, continued support for an old OS means the uptake of the newer OS is less, the OS specifically designed to make use of the hardware, in addition to spending money on supporting it, and all new related hardware on an OS they are no longer seeing any profit from.

    The other point to make is that most people who purchased Windows 7 did so by buying the OEM edition (Pro or otherwise). The OEM edition is 'tied' to the hardware which it was purchased for, if you wanted to use it on newer version you had to use the Retail edition, which cost over twice as much and comes in the pretty box etc :). Some people have said they upgraded their existing computer and still managed to use the same OEM Windows after a little follow up, but typically these hardware changes weren't huge. Going from an i7-2600 to a Zen CPU is a major upgrade from a hardware point of view, and that is not covered by the original OEM licence.

    Considering how much people spend on phones to 'stay current', it's ironic that quite often the same people who spend $100 7 years ago on Windows 7 OEM licence still believe that they should be covered indefinitely by that OS, including support for new hardware. So the Snapdragon 835 for mobile phones is coming out so, WTF isn't it support on Androd 2.1? Can't they add support for it to 2.1, instead of needing to run 7.1.2 or later to make the most of it?
     
  8. Espionage724

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    A new kernel update on an old/unsupported Linux distro can easily bring new hardware support. The distro maintainers aren't likely going to push a kernel update for an unsupported distro, but the difference with this and Windows is that you can actually do something about it pretty easily (grab new kernel sources, distro-specific patches, apply them, compile, win) :p
     
  9. MrMagic

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    No doubt Win 7 will work with new CPUs, there just is no 'Official' support for them

    Many things work unofficially
     
  10. Garbellano

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    if you are only running w$, of course. But here is how the game is (I think you should know it but you are too young or too noob to not to know it): New OS -> New Hardware. More specific, New slower OS (+10% slower) -> New faster hardware (+10% faster) to support the new "features", which are gimmicks that make the OS slower. :clap:
    So, the m$ moto is "Lets make m$ great again". So, they makeup an OLD and FASTER OS, make it slower (to sell new hardware) and make it a SPYWARE MACHINE.
    Its a win win situation.
    How the people fall into this?. Easy, the people are stupid. They it works 99% of the time, it works every time" :clap:
     
  11. Hackeur

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    absolutely no problem or issues with Windows 7 with Kaby Lake CPU 7700K Z270 chipset - very fast and responsive, all drivers on motherboard DVD for Windows 7, manual install of Nvidia and NVMe drivers, Virtualization work - the "advanced" features are probably cloud, junk, bloatware, tracking so not an issue!

    only difference is manual installation of some drivers - Windows 10 all drivers installed automatically

    *I don't use Store, amputated apps, any cloud services, auto updates etc..
     
  12. esemef

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    #13 esemef, Feb 15, 2017
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    My experience is that each Windows version since Vista has just gotten faster. I run Window 10 on a netbook that came with XP.

    Running an older OS will probably work, but if a bug in the cpu or a removed feature means that it doesn't work (in either obvious or subtle ways) then don't bother complaining.

    It's amazing that you can still boot MSDOS on a modern cpu, it can't be financially justifiable to do that.
     
  13. Joe C

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    I think the main reason is the problem that Microsoft had with ending support with XP. Many peeps just refused to upgrade and even Microsoft had to extend support. Today with Windows 10, Microsoft doesn't want to see a repeat they had with XP from ending support with Windows 7. So they managed to get Intel, Amd, All OEM system manufactures and some major motherboard manufactures (Asus) not to provide support for Windows 7 on new products. This way they can gradually phase out Windows 7 without too much issue from the general public and corporate world. Microsoft probably hopes by 2020 everybody would have upgraded their hardware by then and will already be on 10
     
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    #15 z0d_aWP, Feb 16, 2017
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    I think we can still install the drivers by extracting the installation package and update all the unknown hw from device mngr by .inf...
    x86 support can't be just broken, They support the old OSes but the feature set won't apply for example the Intel SST - SpeedShift which came with Skylake and SST2 for Kabylake won't work pre 10, But the BIOS can be patched and made to work without intervening the OS. Also the SST is useful for low end PC's which makes the core parking and online time reduce, While People who run of Multis with macro switch or Overclockers don't care about SST or such type of Technologies.
     
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  15. Order_66

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    New cpu's should be ok with win7, but the comparisons to android 2.1 or DOS are just ridiculous and reek of rabid fanboy deflection.

    Windows 10 has a UI that takes many steps back from win7, it's horribly dumbed-down, flat, dull and just plain hideous to look at, but that's just the beginning of the many regressions that come with moving to windows 10 from 7. (spying, adware etc)

    But don't just let an educated opinion convince you, just look at the most recent netmarketshare stats where win7 is still the pimp and will continue to be the pimp for at minimum 2 more years.
     
  16. dhjohns

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    That's just CRAZY TALK!!!
     
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  17. MELERIX

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    #18 MELERIX, Feb 17, 2017
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    is not that, lol, the thing here is really simple, and is just that this newest CPUs (for example AMD RyZEN or Intel Kaby Lake) will come with newest hardware features (newest CPU instructions for recent codecs and few other things) and the older Windows kernels will not support that for obvious reasons (because these older Windows kernels does not receive updates anymore), but that does not means that this newest CPUs will not work in previous Windows version, it only means that if you use one this newest CPUs in older Windows versions you will not be able to use the newest features.
     
  18. Flipp3r

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    Newer features? You mean Intel SGX? the Intel Software Guard Extensions run on Win7 as well. Again everything works. Perhaps it's just the display drivers that won't be WHQL'd..
    Also, what do you mean by "will come". It's here now for a while & people have had no issues...
     
  19. MELERIX

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    #20 MELERIX, Feb 17, 2017
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    no, other features, for example: "...HDCP 2.2 support along with fixed function decode of H.264, HEVC Main and Main10/10-bit, and VP9 10-bit and 8-bit video, full hardware fixed function VP9/HEVC (including 4K@60fps/10bit) decoding, improved hardware HEVC encoding, full hardware fixed function VP9 8bit encoding, support for Intel Optane Technology, improved Speed Shift technology..."

    of course will works, just that older Windows versions will no be able to use these features.

    Intel will provide drivers anyway, but for example the Intel graphics card will not be able to use the new features.

    I mean for the rest of Kaby Lake CPUs (due that not all the Kaby Lake CPUs are released yet), and AMD RyZEN that will come in March 2017.

    btw, who is saying that it will cause issues ? I just said it will works in previous Windows just that it will not be able to use the new features.