Windows 10 or Windows 11 Confused?

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by gsbnlda, Aug 3, 2023.

  1. gsbnlda

    gsbnlda MDL Junior Member

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    Windows 10 is smooth and fast than windows 11 after installing and uninstalled so many times on same machine. This is personal preference but please share practical pros and cons of both OS
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  2. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    All advise you will see is personal preference or just blind copy/pasting.
     
  3. gsbnlda

    gsbnlda MDL Junior Member

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    I really like all your stuff always. Thanks for your great support.
     
  4. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Obviously it is.

    But if you already know the answer, why ask anyway?
     
  5. raptorddd

    raptorddd MDL Addicted

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    w11 seems faster at all except at opening apps. takes longer on w11. nice UI.
     
  6. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Those videos are less useful than the toilet paper, which has at least one use.

    First: because even if a game has more framerate in OS Y rather than the OS W, it doesn't mean that the OS Y is GLOBALLY faster. But just that piece of directx driver/infrastructure is more optimized, or that a specific games runs better there, because an huge number of variables.

    Second: usually those useless comparison are done using the very latest HW novelties and it's very possible that W10 doesn't cope well with the stupid BIG/Little core architecture of latest Intel CPUs, or (say) is less optimized to use the huge number of Ryzen's cores. What happens if you do the comparison on a 2/3/5/10 years old HW?

    Third: no matter how old or new your system is, Your system is unique, the mileage varies wildly across combinations of drivers, HW, SW installed, and so on.

    Fourth: the definition of faster OS itself is ambiguous to say the best.
    Personally I care more about how responsive is the GUI, how fast is the boot time, what's the time needed to launch a program and I don't give a crap to a difference from 120FPS to 130FPS in games. Movie theaters ran on 24FPS for a century and no one bothered about flickering or lack of smoothness.
    Something more than 24 FPS is still unconsciously perceived, but for sure anything above 60/75FPS is good just for pissing contexts.

    Fifth: speed should be considered globally, including the user's interactions to reach a wanted result.

    Say assume that Vista is twice as fast as XP, but when I do something, like seeing the IP of the connection, XP requires two mouse clicks while vista requires six, which system is faster?
     
  7. InBloatsDen

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    11 Enabled a kernel hardening setting by default that 10 had disabled by default, so if you don't account for that then you're already not doing a fair comparison before even looking at running processes and services. And if 11 switched classic apps to UWP and you're only looking at how responsive the file explorer is, then you're not at all measuring the OS or the same apps.

    I quite agree with your post, but let's not exaggerate low frame rate. Theater projectors flickered at 48 or 72 fps with repeating 24 fps film frames, they definitely bothered to avoid strain from the blanking of the shutter. This was a minimum amount of smoothness that was an average of the varying speeds being displayed up to then, and a standard means you can't obsolete tons of mechanical equipment and film manufacturing processes by playing around with fps again. It's obviously is noticeable that it's not looking like real life, but not jarring like a 12 fps cartoon would be.

    Today's phones have 120hz modes, I saw a girl that doesn't play games instantly notice it's less smooth when it was switched down to 60 so even average people that don't know what to look for can feel the difference. 120 is also perfect for displaying 24 and 25 fps videos without any misaligned judder. Diminishing returns obviously, 30 fps is 33 ms per frame, 60 fps is 16 ms, 120 fps is 8 ms. I'm still on a 60 hz monitor myself.
     
  8. hiepbg

    hiepbg MDL Junior Member

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    Windows 10 is better.
     
  9. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    #10 acer-5100, Aug 13, 2023
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    You already replied yourself, making the mechanical blanking time shorter has nothing to do with fps itself.

    Being a mechanical thing there is no way to make it instantaneous, If a cinema projector had a powerful enough LED source (with virtually no turn ON/OFF time) there was no need of a mechanical blanking, and there was no point in repeating the same image twice or more.

    The page scrolling on smartphone is probably the most relevant corner case in favor of higher FPS, first you have definite lines of text, which are usually highly contrasted and and very close to the eyes, second the stupidly high number of pixels on today smartphones, makes the refresh of the whole way less instantaneous than it was wen we had 480x800 screens, I don't have numbers here but the effect is pretty well known on the other "side of the fence": image sensors.

    Aside the top end Nikon Z9, almost all digital cameras still use a mechanical shutter to avoid dynamic distortions on fast pans, but again this has little to do with the FPS and more with practical limitations.

    Obviously there is no mechanical shutter on displays, albeit LCD panels could in theory offer a blanking time by turning off the LED backlight, but I don't thing that was really done in any commercial panel.

    In short it's a complicate matter that can't be exhausted in a couple of messages
     
  10. haz367

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    Really?

    Windows 7 ftw...
     
  11. chillgates

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    I ditched 11 about 20 times after installing it and went back to 10. Got to see videos that my old hardware is not good for 11 (my AMD 2400g cpu and B350 mobo). Then i switched to AMD 5600g and B450 mobo lately and tried 11 again 2 times. Still I hate 11. If still 7 is maintained by m$ that would be better of all.
     
  12. hoak

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    #13 hoak, Aug 14, 2023
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    One use case Windows 10 does have a definitive lead is for a dedicated game rig -- not for frame rate per se, though often you will see much higher 1% lows on Windows 10 which can be much more important to smooth frame rate and consistent input for serious gamers. Another metric Windows 10 often leads in for this use case is latency; not just DPC latency but input latency, which combined with higher 1% lows is critical for competitive gamers...

    A far more important (to me) feature/benefit is Windows 10 (at this time) offers more control over disabling the massive spew of telemetry that is: logging, caching non-critical system data, various performance counters, 'calling home', et. al.. The sheer volume is of this sort of thing is ridiculous as it's always-on with disk i/o and resource utilization that isn't reported through Windows own monitoring interfaces, and surpasses many multimedia applications for disk i/o -- no less the privacy and security issues of having all this crap running...
     
  13. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Really

    Integralism has never helped in IT just like in every other human activity.

    Win7 is a good OS, but 8/8.1/10 have HUGE improvements over it, in so many areas that isn't even worth to name them.

    W11 is just a minor update over Win10 where the added annoyances aren't counterbalanced by a couple of real improvements
     
  14. Nicolas Bermudez

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    I am dual booting both 10 and 11 and I would stay I still prefer 10. Microsoft tried hard to make 11 "incompatible" with older device, yet without adding significant improvement other than cosmetic UI. Let alone heavier apps, even Windows 11 Task Manager eats more memory than my personal security apps (Simplewall & dnscrypt-proxy).

    Talking about DNS, Windows 11 does introduce system-wide DNS over https (DoH) support, but the feature is really basic. Dnscrypt-proxy is not only lighter, but far richer in features (multiple DNS server, ability to auto switch to the fastest server, custom DNS blocklist, CNAME cloaking, etc) not to mention it works even in Windows 7.

    Another late implementation is tabbed explorer, which many people already familiar since Windows 7 era through Clover app. Too bad Clover is closed-source, hasn't been updated for long time and the latest version is even bundled with adware (it can be blocked with firewall, but still I cannot call it clean app).
     
  15. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    XY explorer **free** is fully functional, and has no ads, and is so much better than practically anything else in windows.

    Speaking about the in "windows" part. Don't forget that in recent Win10 and Win11 is pretty straightforward to use marvels from Linux like mc or konqueror to manage windows files as well
     
  16. Nicolas Bermudez

    Nicolas Bermudez MDL Member

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    I mean, Clover isn't a different built of explorer. It simply just adds tab to Windows Explorer. And I barely have any problem with Windows Explorer.
     
  17. acyuta

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    For overall color background, grey balance and white balance, I like windows 10, then win 11 21h2. Windows 11 22h2 is harsh white background and that really causes pages to be seen as harsh and scaled fonts to look torn. For me, visual experience is extremely important. And i have seen this on a hardware calibrated, 10 bit Eizo cs2740. I now use all 3 interchangeably but consider using win 10 till the scaling and color balance to be resolved on win 11, which may be never considering the downward slope of win 11.
     
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