Windows 10 VS Windows 8.1 Privacy ?

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by HpBaxxter, Sep 7, 2015.

  1. HpBaxxter

    HpBaxxter MDL Member

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    What Windows 10 collect about me ? I know that M$ is collecting data since Vista or 7, but which is the worst in privacy 10 or 8.1 ?
    I will back to 8.1 if 10 is worst than 8.1, I know I can't stop M$ but Ill take the less harmful :D
    I have problems with the drivers with Win 10 too
     
  2. odiebugs1

    odiebugs1 MDL Expert

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    10 is the worst, but now MS has caught up 7,8.1. I think 10 now only has a few over the others. Sorry I haven't an exact number, and some are just diagnostics, but some people think they're sending other data. At the moment no one has tracked every single piece of data leaving a machine.

    Have a look.

    here
     
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  3. HpBaxxter

    HpBaxxter MDL Member

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    if it was just a diagnostics data its ok ! that thread is showing how to remove the updated on Win 7, how about Win 8.1 ?
     
  4. odiebugs1

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    #4 odiebugs1, Sep 8, 2015
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    If you read through the post you'd see what was listed for 8.1.

    KB3075249, KB3080149, KB3022345, KB3068708.

    If you have a router with firewall, most times it has a URL block list.

    You could put this list into it and never have to worry about Windows phoning home.

    Code:
    vortex.data.microsoft.com
    vortex-win.data.microsoft.com
    telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com
    telecommand.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
    oca.telemetry.microsoft.com
    oca.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
    sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com
    sqm.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
    watson.telemetry.microsoft.com
    watson.telemetry.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
    redir.metaservices.microsoft.com
    choice.microsoft.com
    choice.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
    df.telemetry.microsoft.com
    reports.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
    wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
    services.wes.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
    sqm.df.telemetry.microsoft.com
    telemetry.microsoft.com
    watson.ppe.telemetry.microsoft.com
    telemetry.appex.bing.net
    telemetry.urs.microsoft.com
    telemetry.appex.bing.net:443
    settings-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
    vortex-sandbox.data.microsoft.com
    survey.watson.microsoft.com
    watson.live.com
    watson.microsoft.com
    statsfe2.ws.microsoft.com
    corpext.msitadfs.glbdns2.microsoft.com
    compatexchange.cloudapp.net
    cs1.wpc.v0cdn.net
    a-0001.a-msedge.net
    statsfe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
    sls.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
    fe2.update.microsoft.com.akadns.net
    diagnostics.support.microsoft.com
    corp.sts.microsoft.com
    statsfe1.ws.microsoft.com
    pre.footprintpredict.com
    i1.services.social.microsoft.com
    i1.services.social.microsoft.com.nsatc.net
    feedback.windows.com
    feedback.microsoft-hohm.com
    feedback.search.microsoft.com
    rad.msn.com
    preview.msn.com
    ad.doubleclick.net
    ads.msn.com
    ads1.msads.net
    ads1.msn.com
    a.ads1.msn.com
    a.ads2.msn.com
    adnexus.net
    adnxs.com
    az361816.vo.msecnd.net
    az512334.vo.msecnd.net
     
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  5. pincushionman

    pincushionman MDL Novice

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    To anyone just waking up to this, blocking these hosts on the Windows Firewall or in your HOSTS file is not sufficient any longer. :mad: MS is now bypassing the HOSTS file and firewall for calls to these URLs. You have to bypass calls to those URLs at your router.

    Also, slightly related:
    YouTube is requiring Chrome users to sit through full ads now (no skip button), bypassing AdBlock for Chrome if the YouTube Player applet is installed in your browser. Quick fix is using YouTube via FireFox or uninstalling the YouTube Chrome applet.
     
  6. tolanri

    tolanri MDL Novice

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    Source? I know about the hosts, but I tested firewall personally for extended amount of time and didn't see it being bypassed except a short time before firewall driver loaded at boot up.
     
  7. mrbbq

    mrbbq MDL Member

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    A few people on here wrongly believe that somehow Windows Firewall ignores block rules. It doesn't, and no evidence of data being transmitted or received once a good solid block list is in place has ever been shown on here.
     
  8. MELERIX

    MELERIX MDL Addicted

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    both do the same, the only difference is that in Windows 10 you have more options for it, so is more configurable.
     
  9. HpBaxxter

    HpBaxxter MDL Member

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    why people want to back to 8.1 if they are the same ?
     
  10. tolanri

    tolanri MDL Novice

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    #10 tolanri, Sep 8, 2015
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    Indeed. I personally use whitelist and block everything else approach.

    I did quite thorough testing while trying to use windows normally in vmware and captured all traffic to see if any unwanted packets bypassed Windows firewall. Nothing did. Today I moved my setup to real computer connected to internet through UniFi AP which fortunately has tcpdump in-built, so I used that to sniff all traffic from/to this computer and saved to pcap on secondary computer for analysis. So far I did not find any "leak". I'd really want to see someone to finally prove when exactly unwanted (spy) traffic bypasses Windows Firewall (except very short time during boot, which is normal and happens in all Windows versions).

    These are my current rules if anyone is interested: i.imgur.com/dIlaxuD.png
     
  11. Mutagen

    Mutagen MDL Addicted

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    Difference Zero

    Hmm, sounds like a sequel to the Bourne series.
     
  12. HpBaxxter

    HpBaxxter MDL Member

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    people says that we can control Win 8.1 privacy more than Win 10, is this true ?
     
  13. odiebugs1

    odiebugs1 MDL Expert

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    You would be better of asking in the win 8.1 main. And you should ask if anyone has run a program that monitors internet.
    I think asking a general question like this will get you a lot of speculation. There are some people here who are running 8.1 also, but on the 8 main they usually all do.
     
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  14. rsrocha

    rsrocha MDL Novice

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    OP: What phone do you use?
     
  15. HpBaxxter

    HpBaxxter MDL Member

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    Phone ? are you joking ?
     
  16. odiebugs1

    odiebugs1 MDL Expert

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    #16 odiebugs1, Sep 11, 2015
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    No their not joking, they think that a cell phone collects the same data, they also think that when people go on the internet they post their most private secrets so why does anyone need privacy.

    What they have no idea about is most all people never post what they don't want known as private on the net only what they feel is public.

    What you do on your PC is nobody's business, too bad criminals like MS are allowed to create their own set of standards for privacy, which no Gov will stop them as they can get this data anytime they want.

    I doubt you have Nuclear secrets on it, but it's the idea of what is private.
     
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