Windows 7 and Java

Discussion in 'Windows 7' started by akritasge, Nov 3, 2009.

  1. akritasge

    akritasge MDL Member

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    Are there any ideas about the necessity of installation Java Runtimes on a Windows 7 system?
     
  2. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    Some sites needs java to run. I need it for online banking.
     
  3. noyod

    noyod MDL Member

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    You need java runtime only if required by your application; otherwise no need to install in win7.
     
  4. akritasge

    akritasge MDL Member

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    My question is due to a problem I faced with IE.
    After having installed Java Runtimes (version 6u16) IE became extremely slow.
    The problem ended when I removed Java from IE’s BHO (Browser Helper Object) Path.
    BHO (Browser Helper Object) are add-ons that give sum functions to IE.
     
  5. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    I dont use IE for more then 5 years, i am using firefox and i dont have such a problem.
     
  6. genuine555

    genuine555 MDL Expert

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    Agreed. FF doesn't have that issue. It's still superior to IE, for all I know...
     
  7. akritasge

    akritasge MDL Member

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    To Michel and Genuine555

    Fortunately or unfortunately, my friends, I am stuck with MS.
     
  8. ennio

    ennio Guest

    MS is promoting DotNet, hence they will not support Java as they should.
    I had the same problems with IE, and not just with IE 8.
     
  9. Dicehyden

    Dicehyden MDL Novice

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    If java is essential for it. Just came to know soon coz i was going to play a game on dot3 using ie8 but as java wasn't installed on my windows 7 so i propmt to a msg to download java.
     
  10. akritasge

    akritasge MDL Member

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    You mean that .NET Framework is MS’s equivalent for Java?
     
  11. Gethsemane

    Gethsemane MDL Member

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    Natively Java and Adobe Flash are not pre-installed on the Windows 7 platform. Microsoft has actually been pretty good at streamlining their installs so it doesn't install all the non-Microsoft programs on store bought installations. Usually, vendors such as Dell, HP and others will have Flash and Java pre-installed. Older versions of course that need to be upgraded probably whenever you buy a new PC.

    I always recommend to people I know that if they buy a Laptop or Desktop with pre-installed Vista (now Windows 7) it's a waste of money due to all the bloatware. You would actually be saving a lot of money just making a custom desktop computer. Laptop I suppose you really have no choice but laptops seem to be inexpensive compared to some desktops these days.

    Internet Explorer isn't that bad but just takes much longer to customize to get any features that Firefox provides through add-ons. It's quite sad really. Long ago I never used Firefox or even Opera and I never got viruses. But these days many non-legit flash ads are injecting viruses onto your computer without your knowledge. It's probably not as wide spread anymore. But it only takes one virus to steal your World of Warcraft account, credit card number or worse your social security number for us American folks.

    Another reason I've personally chosen Firefox over other browsers.
     
  12. akritasge

    akritasge MDL Member

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    To all of you that partcipated to this thread

    After having red your posts, rather I come to the conclusion that it would be good for us Java to be inastalled in our computers as is needed from a quite large number of applications.
     
  13. PrEzi

    PrEzi MDL Addicted

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    As you will dig in the archives of history - MS got sued by SUN that they included their own Java machine with IE hence they stopped bundling it.
    DotNET framework is not the same as Java (but it is a developers platform like Java is).

    Oh, and Javascript is not the same as Java framework. Scripts should be natively supported by virtually any good browser without the need to install 3-rd party software.
     
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  14. marcusj0015

    marcusj0015 MDL Junior Member

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    thanks thats the information i was missing i wasnt sure why MS got pissed off at sun now it makes sense and you answered one of my questions

    but heres my second and last question

    which was is javascript the smae thingas java becaseu there are js files included with adobe photoshop and that must mean that its either preinstalled by the user or is included with the OS thanks man ive learner something

    now my second qusetion is: what is a java virtual machine

    as i under stand a virtual machin is for OS virtulization hence theres no need for virtualization in a browser

    so basically theres another type of virtual machine that i dont know of
     
  15. akritasge

    akritasge MDL Member

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    May be you are right about IE’s security. But, for this reason MS, every now and then, provides us with Security Updates about IE and not only. Making things better.
    From the other hand, as the users of Fire Fox grow, grow the risks too.
    Moreover Fire Fox will not be for ever in the fire-proof state.
     
  16. MrFerretKing

    MrFerretKing MDL Member

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    Java and javascript are similar in how they look internally but the differences are big.
    Java is an actual object oriented programming language that creates java applets and stand alone programs usually a .JAR or .CLASS file which are ran within a Java Virtual Machine (SUN now calls it JRE)

    Javascript is a text based language ( .js files) that is used within HTML to make things like text boxes, drop down menus, , buttons and other user interactive doo-dads on a webpage. These are client side scripting techniques.
    Javascript is also run on the actual web servers to facilitate user request and backend database connectivity. AKA server side scripting.
    Javascript can also be used for system administration duties and can be comparable to Vbscript.

    A JVM or now JRE is basically an instruction set for a computer to use when a JAVA applet or program is executed. It takes those .jar and .class files and runs them thru an interpreter and outputs what the program was intended to do.

    A java virtual machine has no relation to a virtual machine in regards to running an operating system.


    There is a whole lot more to it but this is the jist of it. I am not a programmer by nature but write javascript and vbscript everyday so some of my verbiage may not be exact.
     
  17. Lich King

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    Any idea, if silverlight is also necessary along with java runtime?
     
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  18. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    With this i disagree,

    You can always reinstall windows vista with a retail disc (if you have it or download one from the internet.) When you use the slic dump toolkit and extract the serial and slic information you can use it on your fresh install and activate vista.

    Another thing, my recovery disc from my laptop asks me if i want to install all those programs.

    Silverlight is a program that whas made to kill/replace Adobe Flashplayer, Microsoft failed in that
     
  19. akritasge

    akritasge MDL Member

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    Very usefull information