Not sure where to post this question. I was able to get W7 and XP running on an ASUS B360M mobo but I want to buy another mobo for another machine and go with W7 and W10. Both use the microATX mobo format (9.6" x 9.6") Any suggestions for a newer mobo than the B360M where I can run W7? I have seen newer Asus boards like the Prime B760.It does not have to be Asus but I am partial to Intel processors. BTW...I need one full PCI slot besides the one for the graphics card. Are there any posts on this on the site?
Ha, same question here. Why new motherboards doesn’t have needed slots? I would also know newer board for Intel CPU with CSM and more than one PCIx slot..
My personal suggestion is that albeit I'm a AMD guy, for your purpose is better to get a IVY bridge board, either a cheap used one or a modern brand new item on alibaba or alike, witch are cheap anyway, (there are models with NVME slots and other modern goodies) + a top of the line Core I7 7xxx or Xeon E3. You'll get a powerful machine for cheap, capable of running anything from Win XP (maybe Win 2K) to Win 11/Sever 11 (including the infamous recent 259xx builds). There is also a good choice of ITX or uATX mobos and reduced power (S) or lowpower (T) CPUs, if you need a compact machine or a HTPC setup
Hey, George...how's it going? Good point about CSM, my Asus B360 has it. Don't know what they don't have full sized PCUx slots. I'll let you know if I find one.
Hi...thanks for reply. The problem there is the Ivy bridge is a 3rd generation board whereas my current board is 8th generation. I am looking to go up to 12th or 13th generation. With the 8th gen, I had to used modded drivers to get Windows 7 running on it. Had to use several modded drivers to get XP running on it. Both XP and W7 are running stable on the 8th gen but I don't know what I'll needed to do for newer generations, or if its even possible to run w7 on one.
I have Asus B360 Prime Plus. Main PC with Intel i9 9900KS + 64GB RAM + NVIDIA 4060 Ti and secondary for testing with i5 9400F + 32GB RAM + NVIDIA 980 Ti. And just for sure I have bought that board again, to have replacement if one die... I would really want newer Intel board with CSM and more than 1 or 2 PCIx slots.. I have succeed mosty with all drivers for this board for XP, just ACPI time is missing, I tried to port 8.0 driver, but without success right now.. I need to test 7 too, to see if every driver can be found and installed
Personally I couldn't care less about generations. I care of something that solve my problems or improve my life So if your current board does the job, get another one or a similar one, and use the spared money to eventually buy a better CPU for it. (I suggested IVY bridge for two reasons. First I didn't know what you already have, second because there is a vast market of brand new ones unlike newer generations)
. Hi. The whole point of my post was to upgrade from generation 8. I know what my current mobo can do but I am interested in greater speed for certain apps. Newer generations are always upgrading buss speeds and processor architecture. I have nothing against what you are suggesting and I agree that sometimes it's better to go with whatever works for you. Actually, I was on a site where George was posting and we were investigating how to get XP running on a mobo like mine. Intel began playing Microsoft's game of forcing people to upgrade to a newer system. So M$oft crippled the USB drivers on W7 so they would not run on my mobo and Intel would not supply proper drivers for the boards so we could run XP and W7 on them. The only reason I can see why they'd do that is to enable M$oft to force people to use W8 and W10. I think generation 8 was the first gen in which that applied. No drivers.
I agree. The B360M is aimed at business apps and I was thinking of finding a board more suitable to games and music creation. The mobo works fine and I may get another one as a substitute. That's what I did with my Creative Soundblaster X-Fi board, which are not made anymore. I have never seen a problem with the ACPI timer on W7 and XP works fine, but I don't know what to look for. I have had issues with USB. I am using the stock Intel USB ports plus a plugin card from VIA. The Intel and VIA drivers look good in W7 Device Manager but sometimes when I am plugged into a USB port on a 7 port hub, the devices work intermittently. The hub is externally powered so it should not be an issue with overdrawing the current from the port.
Well, tbh I think it's a GAS case. What XP application is supposed to take advantage of a generation of machines released a decade after the XP support has stopped? What XP application can't run amazingly fast on a XP VM in a recent Ryzen or 11/12/13th core? I understand a IT enthusiast who want to run XP on a recent machine for the fun of doing that, even a person who owns a single notebook and has to deal with it. But buying something that is from hard to impossible to get working, purposely, can be just GAS (or masochism). Perhaps assuming you overcome the UEFI boot, the NVME, USB3 troubles, what about the VGA? I think you have no hope to get the integrated ones working, so you need to buy also a fairly old AMD/Nvidia card, which somewhat undermine the point of having a faster machine...
Hi...I use the mobo to run W7 and W10 as well as XP. I run older games on XP and most of my music stuff on W7. I use W10 for secure stuff like online banking but I spent a lot of time suppressing its spyware. I caught W10 spying on my bank transactions and that's when I got mad and went to town with the spyware. Also, many online sights now require W10. The problem with VMs is finding an adequate graphics and sound emulation, Some games simply won't run with a VM's graphics and audio emulation. Apparently newer VMs can interface with real graphics cards but I don't know about sound. I have XP running on an Nvidia GT-1030 card but it's a very basic super VGA rendering. If I want to have serious game graphics I need to use my GT-730. Like you said, there are not many games running on XP that require fancy graphics and sound cards. However, I run XP mainly to shove it to M$oft. There are other people in the world and many businesses who relied on XP and probably still do. The work done making XP run on newer mobos helps them and reveals M$oft as a corporation who doesn't care about people who rely on their older products.
George,,,look up the Asus ROG Strix B760-G Gaming Wifi D4 and see what you think. It has 1 x PCIe 5.0 x16 and a 1 x PCIe 4.0 x16 (max @X4) slot.
Just FYI: I just gave up on installing Windows 7 on Asus ROG Strix B760-I Gaming WiFi with Intel Core i3-13100 It is meant to be a TV/media-computer. Windows 7 just to get a license.
Can you talk about the problems you encountered? Did it boot? There are two problems I can think off. One is USB and to get around that you need a PS/2 mouse and keyboard. Don't know if it has either but you can run PS/2 through an external card as far as I know. Another problem might be ACPI. George will likely know more issues.
Maybe something like the ASUS Pro A620M-C-CSM.... The CSM in the name isn't the CSM we are looking for, but that board has a PCI (non express) slot, so is possibly aimed to people who needs bios features like the bootability from a old SCSI/Pata/SATA/Raid addon card, or a Matrox multimonitor VGA. Just a guess. Its manual is very concise, and the BIOS manual is a generic one shared with other boards (it mentions the CSM but I wouldn't trust it too much)
For me, the slot is required for an older Soundblaster X-fi card. Creative no longer makes cards with the dedicated chip for rendering MIDI files and/or loading soundfonts. For someone like me, who lacks keyboard skills, I can write in a scoring program, where each note is translated to MIDI, then the on-board chip converts the MIDI directly to real sound via soundfonts. I heard a composition a while back by a guy who used an older Soundblaster Live with soundfonts to create a Cello concerto. It was so realistic as to be awesome. I am not into classical but I have found that the X-fi will produce tremendously accurate sound from a Midi file, something it is very difficult to do using onboard synthesis via the computer chip. That's especially true when stacking many bars of different instruments which are played simultaneously. It's one thing to do that with recorded WAV files, which are already in audio format, but quite another to do it with MIDI files.