Windows 8 Upgrade DVD ISO is different from MSDN?

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  1. IND

    IND MDL Member

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    Yesterday I made purchase Windows 8 upgrade DVD ( pro)
    but after download I found that The iso is only 2 gb
    Also i cant understand is it 32 bit or 64 bit .

    can u tell me whats the difference between this and MSDN pro one and why size different ?
    thanks in advance.
     
  2. anarchist9027

    anarchist9027 MDL Expert

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    The disc should state either 32 or 64 bit. Considering the size of it being 2gb, I'm leaning more towards 32 bit.

    The difference between this version and the MSDN version is that you have the "Upgrade Disc" compared to the full version.
     
  3. rrohela

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    #3 rrohela, Jan 12, 2013
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    If you downloaded from 32bit OS then its 32bit & according to size its 32bit... Its size is less than MSDN image coz it has compressed & secured install.esd file not install.wim. Second factor is its only pro image no core included but both images are part of MSDN image.
     
  4. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Also that ISO is looking for an preinstalled OS Windows 7, Vista or XP SP2 or 3. It ask for the Product Key while starting the setup. It will install in the same Bit Version as the preinstalled OS 32bit or 64bit.

    If you use the RTM ISO, you have the advantage for to chose the Install format of 32bit or 64bit. The installation process of the RTM also ask on the end of installation for the Product Key and use that Version you have bought (Pro or Core) regardless of 32bit or 64bit system.

    If you like to really upgrading from your existing OS, the Upgrade ISO is the way to go, if you like to do a clean Install, the RTM is the easiest way to go.
     
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  5. rrohela

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    #5 rrohela, Jan 12, 2013
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    Have you tried it?.. I installed it few times but never asked for previous OS.
    Even MSDN image ask for product key while starting...
    If previously install applications are not required then you can go for 64bit...
    I think you are using AIO disk & is true for AIO image only...
    Again same downloaded retail image will work... yes fix is required for clean install...
     
  6. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Yes, the first downloaded ISO while buying the first Upgrade Key and later on the DVD from the Upgrade Box I also bought: both were asking for the Product Key on beginning of Installation! Both also was looking for the previous installed OS! I don;t know where you got your ISO from, I downloaded directly from MS with the Upgrade Assistant and the Original DVD's from MS in the Box! Also my RTM ISO is directly from MS and it's the same as in the Official Windows 8 Repository of MDL (exact same Checksum!!)!

    Sorry I run the MSDN RTM ISO and there isn't any problem to use an Upgrade Key for a clean installation. I posted the same several time already!


    I didn't was need any Fix for installation!

    Take it or leave it, it's just the truth but stop to telling to know better what I've done on several hundreds installations of Windows 8 within my customers and also by friends and in my own office!
     
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  7. IND

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    #7 IND, Jan 12, 2013
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    Can U please show me the screenshot where Upgrade ISO looking for previous os :eek:
    and I also bought back up dvd but not yet received .can U tell me what will be the box ?
    I single dvd containing 32bit and 64 bit ?

    and can I install a fresh windows by formatting my ssd by this dvd ?
    thanks
     
  8. rrohela

    rrohela MDL Expert

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    I got iso from same source but difference was who is downloading i think... Installation never looked for previous installation...
    MSDN & retail both images ask for key at beginning.. Unless you inject ei.cfg....

    Previously you mentioned this
    To my knowledge MS not released such ISO that give option for 32bit & 64bit. Its only possible with custom AIO ISO... If you have link to original MS image that gives option 32/64 then please share...

    No where i said that you can't use MSDN ISO with upgrade Key...


    I am learner not gona leave it... You did it on several hundreds or few does't matter, my few confirms the above

    Regarding fix after clean install with upgrade key is, MediaBootInstall from "1" to "0" & slmgr /rearm.... and many other workaround floating here...
     
  9. nash58

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    Regarding the fix issue. I install for a friend who bought the upgrade key but his laptop is at a crawling speed. I decided then to delete all partitions and do a clean install with the RTM retail iso.
    At the beginning of installation the setup ask to input the upgrade key which i did. I then configured the wireless connection at the end of installation and select the local account. The installation
    was successful and windows immediately activated.

    I was not aware that a fix is needed. Will ignoring the fix cause future issues with activation.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  10. pisthai

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    Sorry I forget to write that I had mean DVD\USB\Media!In my 2. post I was mention that I used the ISO's from MS and that they had the same checksum as the one in MDL's thread The Official Windows 8 Repository, that had shown that I didn't used an AIO, which I never did with any Windows Version!! If I use an modified ISO/Image, it would only one modified by myself. Fact is, that you could only use the File System you had installed already if you use the WUA and download that special prepared ISO form MS. Hope that clears the misunderstanding in this point!

    No where i said that you can't use MSDN ISO with upgrade Key...

    Many of those problems came up while playing around with the Software License Manager and System Files. Mistyped command in the SLMGR can and will force problems like that.

    I would never tell something couldn't happen because I know that humans are imperfect! That said, we all doing mistakes everyday and just a simple typo could have a huge effect. Before I hire a new employee for my company, I would sit down with that person and give some instruction for the tests which need to be done. Those test are various depend for which work I hire that person. While that person is doing that test, alone in the room, a camera will record what and how that test would be done, the result isn't what I like to see, that we get on the end! No, if that person is fast typing and used the backspace much, I wouldn't hire them! Why? Because the outcome will have a lot of errors!
    Believe me, I had need some time for to get to such test's and have paid a lot money for people they couldn't work concentrated over longer time and special fast typing were the main factor of errors. They'd didn't saw ALL typos or even realized while typing that the they were typing wrong!

    That said, I would not deny that other users having other experiences than I, and so please except that my experiences may differs from yours. Thanks.
     
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  11. pisthai

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    I bought the BOX by an Retailer in Bangkok and there 2 DVD's included 32bit & 64bit. I was try once to install from those DVD's as well as once using the WUA. On every install of that I booted form USB stick (I created from the downloaded ISO prepared from WUA) and DVD and was get asked on beginning for the Key. I used an new HDD and was getting, after I was place the p-key, the error that no previous Windows installation were found and that the installation will stop. Used the MS RTM ISO's it were asked on the end of installation for the key and activated without any problem. I wasn't need any fix and all installation I had done, which are quite a lot over the last 2 month, working till today without problems. Also ALL of the installation were Clean Installs, either on an freshly Low Level formatted HDD without any Partitions or new HDD's.
     
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  12. rrohela

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    #12 rrohela, Jan 13, 2013
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    Yes agreed with you....

    It could be reason of different experiences with same upgrade install... I downloaded images the day MS opens the gate... Even test it today but nothing as your mentioned experience...
    So i think MS might have changed the image later to prevent clean install...

    You are the first who reported this( or i am not aware of it) & might possible that other will mention the same that my installation is looking for previous installation...
     
  13. IND

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  14. PaulDesmond

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    you can load an enterprise edition which doesn't ask for a key during installation. Later you need to activate by using the KMS system for example
     
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  15. IND

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    No he is talking about pro one .
     
  16. PaulDesmond

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    I'm not 100% positive but maybe he spoke about 8pro VL which afaik don't need a key during first installation. I didn't try this version and so far, I'm not sure if a key is needed
     
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  17. IND

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    only he can answer this .
    anyway if I use MSDN ISO ( pro) with a upgrade key will this works ?
     
  18. PaulDesmond

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    you speak about the $39.99 one or the Media key? 39.99 should do its job
     
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    #19 urie, Jan 14, 2013
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    Well I just did a test installation yesterday with en_windows_8_x86_dvd_915417.iso you cannot install it without key. I had to add EI.cfg file to ISO
    Code:
    [EditionID]
    Professional
    [Channel]
    Retail
    [VL]
    1
     
  20. IND

    IND MDL Member

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    39.99$ one .