Windows slow when I copy and paste in the HDD

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  1. Thvle

    Thvle MDL Member

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    Hi, I have a Crucial M4 128gb (SATA II), in it I have installed Windows, and then I have a 1TB HDD (Samsung HD103SJ), and in it I have installed games.

    The problem is that when I copy and paste a folder (for example) from the HDD to another directory on the same HDD, everything is going very slow. And do not understand why, It should not affect the performance of the OS, right? I have the OS on the SSD! :(

    Normal is what I get?
     
  2. PhaseDoubt

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    #2 PhaseDoubt, May 18, 2013
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    170 views and no comments ... I'll take a shot at it.

    Is this a new problem? How much data are you copying? The larger the amount of data, the longer it takes.

    When you say everything is going slow do you mean the copy process takes a long time or do you mean your computer slows down in general?

    It would be helpful to know more of your system specs. You may simply have a low end machine with minimal specs.
     
  3. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    An other point is:
    • as bigger the file = as faster the transfer
    • as smaller the file = as slower the transfer

    That applies to all Windows versions.
     
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  4. alextheg

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    Windows 7 file transfer has always been known to be slow. Try third party software such as Terracopy . I've tried it before and noticed improvements .
     
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  5. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Also funny things was, at the time I still was using Windows 7, that the file transfer using USB 3.0 started fast but goes down below the speed of USB 2.0. I was starting USB 3.0 only again after changed to Windows 8! On the exact same machine, just to note!
     
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  6. Thvle

    Thvle MDL Member

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    #6 Thvle, May 18, 2013
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    Let's see, the problem is that when I copy and paste a folder of large size (14GB, for example) to another directory (but within the same HDD), the overall performance of the computer (OS and other programs that are installed on the SSD), it's going very slow ... It's like they saturate the bus.

    When I copy the folder of 14GB to other directory, is 50MB/sec maximum.

    My motherboard is SATA 2.

    Mi PC specifications is:

    Phenom II 965 3.4Ghz

    4GB Kingston Hyper-X DDR2 800mhz

    ASUS M4A78L-M

    Crucial M4 128GB SSD

    HD103SJ Samsung 1TB HDD
     
  7. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Normally while copy a folder with content within the same HDD, it's a fast process (even in Windows 7) and need just a few seconds, if the HDD isn't totally fragmented. Copy to an other HDD, the transfer speed would be up to 60MB/s or even more.

    But the speed will (a lot) differs because of the transfer of Files of different size and different structure (type of file).
     
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  8. Thvle

    Thvle MDL Member

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    What my problem is not the speed when copying! If that does not use the HDD, I lower the overall performance of the entire computer (SSD), when it should not be like that, do not you think? It's like they do saturate the bus and leave the SSD bandwidth.
     
  9. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Sorry, I don't use SSD, it's to expensive in Thailand!
     
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  10. edee

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    #10 edee, May 18, 2013
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    If you are copying files from one place to another on the same hard drive, the copy should be almost instantaneous no matter the size of the file, I have copied and moved files on my HD that were hundreds and thousands of MB in size and the move was almost instant, the story is different though if you are going to copy to another drive, then it could take some time depending on the size of the file.

    You may either ....
    a.) Try and defrag the drive.
    b.) Check your hard drives health, it may be getting near to the end of it's life.
     
  11. Thvle

    Thvle MDL Member

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    Instantaneous 14Gb?
     
  12. pisthai

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    I wrote the same (with other words) in Post #7! If your sys is slowing down, something isn't OK! First defragment the HDD!
     
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    Thvle MDL Member

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    The HDD and the SSD is OK, perfect status. I check with CrystalDiskInfo, HDTune, etc...
     
  14. PhaseDoubt

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    #14 PhaseDoubt, May 18, 2013
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    Odd. If I copy an 5k document for HDD to HDD it's almost instantaneous. But when I copy a 5GB .vhd file for HDD to HDD it takes three minutes.

    I have an 11GB .vhd file I copied recently and it took almost seven minutes.

    The rate (bits per second for example) may be higher for the larger file, but the total time it takes to transfer is longer the larger the file.
     
  15. PhaseDoubt

    PhaseDoubt MDL Expert

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    Yet by your own admission something is wrong. It may be that what your diagnostics is testing is not your problem. What you might want to try is a copying test on another computer with the same OS. If you get similar results, you're right. If you don't then your disk may indeed have a problem.
     
  16. Thvle

    Thvle MDL Member

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    Hard drives go well. I made SSD and HDD benchmarks, and provide a few perfect scores.

    The problem certainly is the motherboard, which is saturated. It sucks plate 40 €.
     
  17. pisthai

    pisthai Imperfect Human

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    Maybe I should have written it following:

    small files, let say 500pcs, each 1 MB would need longer time to copy from HDD to an other HDD than and single file 500MB from HDD to HDD. It's because of kind auto-verify that the filecopied is the same as the original, that's where "loosing" the time!

    The overall speed of copy is also depend on other factors like the internal Bus Speed of the MB, the Chipset used and so on!
     
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  18. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    Copy files is different then when you cut files.
     
  19. EFA11

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    #19 EFA11, May 18, 2013
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    Moving instead of copying would be much faster to do on the same drive as it is not "moving" data, just adjusting the tables on the hdd. Copying would be slower as it has to reproduce the data to duplicate it.

    When you copy or move from HDD to HDD, the difference is minimal as it has to transfer data from one drive to the other. The slower drive will always decide the speed of the transfer, and copying to the other HDD would be much safer than moving.

    If you are having issues with system slowdown because of a transfer, the first thing I would do is temporarily disable AV (AVG, DEFENDER etc) to see if they are part of the problem. If you have a very large amount of data to be transferred, you might also consider booting to a utility that will allow file transfer. Booting to a liveCD -or what I use, Paragon, they offer a free rescue disk-for example would help you to see if you are indeed having trouble with the OS or the Drive since the OS would be out of the picture during the transfer.
     
  20. edee

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    #20 edee, May 18, 2013
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    Yup, pretty much instantaneous, because your only moving the file from one location to another on the same hard drive. So basically it's not the file itself that is moving, Windows is just re writing the location of where you want it, basically the 14GB file goes nowhere your just telling Windows to change the location, this is only IF you are dragging and dropping the file from one location to another. If you are cut, copying and pasting to another location therein would lye the problem, 14GB would take quite some time to paste to another location even if on the same HD ..... Probably at least an hour or two or more.

    As far as it affecting the performance of the OS on a separate drive, it shouldn't, I do it all the time for backup reasons from my main OS drive to an external drive which is considerably slower and I see no loss of performance in my OS at all.

    Do yourself a favor ..... Defrag, if that doesn't work check the health of the hard drive.