Can latest Win11 be modified to fit a standard DVD?

Discussion in 'Windows 11' started by Rtsjr2, Nov 20, 2023.

  1. Rtsjr2

    Rtsjr2 MDL Novice

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    I've looked around but I haven't found an answer to this.
    Can the latest Win11 Pro iso be modified to fit a 4.7 DVD,
    Can the language packs, or something else be removed to allow it to fit.

    Thanks to all in advance.
     
  2. pm67310

    pm67310 MDL Guru

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    convert install.wim to esd to reduce size
     
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  3. SAM-R

    SAM-R MDL Guru

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    Even Microsoft no longer uses DVD's for ISO's
     
  4. Rtsjr2

    Rtsjr2 MDL Novice

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    Thank you, going to try .
     
  5. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    Doesn't fit DVD5:
    Source ISO:
    Code:
    Name: en-us_windows_11_consumer_editions_version_23h2_x64_dvd_8ea907fb.iso
    Size: 6705289216 bytes (6394 MiB)
    CRC32: 4F40226C
    CRC64: 748F65B53DEDCFA9
    SHA256: 71a7ae6974866603d366a911b0c00eace476e0b49d12205d7529765cc50b4b39
    SHA1: 9d18f7814564421381c94e13c09a9c427baf8018
    BLAKE2sp: 74cb1bc1a260f6455ab49c74fb675aa56673c523b2a572e8436290fcd514e686
    
    Result:
    Code:
    Name: en-us_windows_11_consumer_editions_version_23h2_x64_dvd_8ea907fb_ESD_2023_11_20.ISO
    Size: 5359306752 bytes (5111 MiB)
    CRC32: E83C945C
    CRC64: B13FABD4155081C4
    SHA256: 2f0d724434d533f7efc753d2b2b799590680e3e3567dc385200f03d80c7a1910
    SHA1: d1a84e1f9bdca1bbed40276dba5f674e5b76b7bd
    BLAKE2sp: 49e2b09996e1d8bb20968783a0f8af24ef9950fa82aecd474b014181aaf2e67f
    
    Spanning the ISO over multiple DVDs can work but using ESD files with ESD>ISO also should work (testing), or create an ISO at uupdump.net with full resetbase and install.esd should work too.

    Best is to use USB.
     
  6. pm67310

    pm67310 MDL Guru

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    Question export pro sku only and reset base + convert to esd

    not fit dvd ?.
     
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  7. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    I tried it yesterday with the ESD>ISO and no, ISO with install.esd still >4.37GB.

    Code:
    
    ============================================================
    Running ESD -> ISO v64
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    Checking ESD Info . . .
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    Creating Setup Media Layout . . .
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    Creating boot.wim . . .
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    Using LZX compression with 16 threads
    Archiving file data: 1087 MiB of 1087 MiB (100%) done
    
    Using LZX compression with 16 threads
    Archiving file data: 100 MiB of 100 MiB (100%) done
    
    ============================================================
    Creating install.esd . . .
    ============================================================
    
    Using LZMS compression with 1 thread
    Archiving file data: 9 GiB of 9 GiB (100%) done
    
    ============================================================
    Creating ISO . . .
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    OSCDIMG 2.56 CD-ROM and DVD-ROM Premastering Utility
    Copyright (C) Microsoft, 1993-2012. All rights reserved.
    Licensed only for producing Microsoft authorized content.
    
    
    Scanning source tree (500 files in 43 directories)
    Scanning source tree complete (948 files in 86 directories)
    
    Computing directory information complete
    
    Image file is 5245501440 bytes (before optimization)
    
    Writing 948 files in 86 directories to 22631.2715.231109-1754.23H2_NI_RELEASE_SVC_REFRESH_CLIENTPROFESSIONALVL_VOL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
    
    100% complete
    
    Storage optimization saved 4 files, 24576 bytes (0% of image)
    
    After optimization, image file is 5247574016 bytes
    Space saved because of embedding, sparseness or optimization = 24576
    
    Done.
    
    Press 0 or q to exit.
    
    
    Code:
    Name: 22631.2715.231109-1754.23H2_NI_RELEASE_SVC_REFRESH_CLIENTPROFESSIONALVL_VOL_X64FRE_EN-US.ISO
    Size: 5247574016 bytes (5004 MiB)
    
     
  8. Konde

    Konde MDL Junior Member

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    What about a DVD9/DVD+R DL? Not all drivers could burn them but most if not all drives can read them
     
  9. ohenry

    ohenry MDL Senior Member

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    #10 ohenry, Nov 24, 2023
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    Back in the day when I used optical discs, the DL (dual layer) blank discs cost quite a bit more than the regular, single layer discs. And it took quite a bit longer to record them, as the write speed was always quite low. And I had more failures as well. YMMV

    Generally, if I'm working with a computer too old to boot from a USB flash drive, I settle for Windows 10. I have on occasion, rare occasion, used a DVD DL disc, but I try to avoid that, quite a bit of trouble.
     
  10. Doman

    Doman MDL Novice

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    Better try to solve the problem in another way?

    You could try using the program Plop Boot Manager on the CD/DVD/RW, it can transfer the boot to the USB flash drive.

    If you can temporarily connect the HDD/SSD to another PC you can use the program WinNTSetup to install the Windows system to it.

    Or just start the Windows setup (in MBR mode of course) in the other PC and just shutdown and swap the drive back at the first reboot of the installer.
     
  11. Carlos Detweiller

    Carlos Detweiller Emperor of Ice-Cream

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    #12 Carlos Detweiller, Nov 25, 2023
    Last edited: Nov 26, 2023
    The problem with trying it on DVD is that for first tries I always use DVD±RW. Dual Layer DVD RWs were unfortunately never readily available. That's why I prefer them to fit on Single Layer, to actually fit on the RWs I have.

    Using a BD-RE is possible, but I don't have BluRay drives everywhere.
     
  12. useru

    useru MDL Novice

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    I wonder about a real DVD and 64 bit operating system.
    There are USB storage, mounting a ISO file and simulating a DVD drive. Boot from the DVD drive.

    Anyway another work arround can be:
    A bootable CD with PE bootfiles, core files \boot\boot.sdi and \sources\boot.wim. There is not a setup.exe and not a \sources\install.wim.
    And a bootable Windows 11 installation USB Stick with setup.exe and \sources\install.wim

    The USB Stick can be used to install Windows 11 directly, boot from the USB stick.

    And there is a hybrid usage:
    boot the CD, load the PE.
    And read install.wim from the USB stick, setup finds the files by default.
     
  13. Snuffy

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  14. Snuffy

    Snuffy MDL Expert

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    strange when my size is only
    upload_2023-11-26_12-45-54.png upload_2023-11-26_12-45-54.png
     
  15. ohenry

    ohenry MDL Senior Member

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    I have a dual layer DVD with Windows 11 on it, made about a year and a half ago. I have used it 2 or 3 times, when I encounter some obstinate system that I just can't get to boot from a USB flash drive. Normally I prefer to install an up-to-date (or at least close to up-to-date) system, but creating a good dual layer DVD is so much trouble that I prefer to install the older version of Windows and then let Windows update itself. Less trouble than creating another, more up-to-date dual layer DVD.

    Or, as an alternative solution for the OP -- why not take the official 22621 ISO and compress the install.wim to install.esd. The resulting ISO should fit on a single layer DVD, you can do your install from that, and then let Windows update itself to the latest and greatest.
     
  16. abbodi1406

    abbodi1406 MDL KB0000001

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    Canary builds contain same version of Edge variants in "\Windows\System32\Microsoft-Edge-WebView\" and "\Program Files (x86)\Microsoft\"
    therefore, payload files are hardlinked inside install.wim/install.esd

    22H2/23H2 ISO/ESD contain different versions = double payload