(caution) Windows 8/7/Vista KMS Activation non-genuine status

Discussion in 'Windows 8' started by AlexAlba, Dec 7, 2012.

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Did you have the problem described in this post with any of your Windows 7/Vista VM?

  1. Yes

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  2. No (even though i used the B4W3 key)

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  3. No, I activated them with a Windows Server 2012 KMS HOST

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  1. TCM

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    Let's just hope there's no mechanism for clients to tell the server to deactivate itself. :)
     
  2. rrohela

    rrohela MDL Expert

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    @TCM
    According to this there is no way to know keys of HOST from client... I am confused
     
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  4. kelorgo

    kelorgo MDL Addicted

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    I apologise, I should have included more technical details in my post. I activated against Freestyler's WES7-based host, so it's using the original BenSaunders host key for the Client product group, not the Server 2012 key. The test client installation was retail Win 7 x86 Pro SP1u, installed with Win 7 Pro GVLK.

    Edit: We don't know how MS is checking, but I assume they don't need to know the KMS host's product key. The KMS host's extended PID is available in the client, and that's presumably enough.
     
  5. TCM

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    Do you think that, if Microsoft already knew the Server2012 key, they would have blocked it too with one strike? So in conclusion, they don't know it yet?

    OK, makes no sense. They surely know the ePID.
     
  6. kelorgo

    kelorgo MDL Addicted

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    I think the absence of a block is no indication whether one is coming or not. Bear in mind the client-channel key was around a lot longer than the server 2012.

    Here is some food for thought: at this point, I do not believe that there is much point in Microsoft spending a lot of resources on blocking the ability to activate Windows 7 specifically (or 7 and Vista) via leaked KMS. So here are a couple of things this might mean. It may be very straightforward already for them to add a KMS host's extended PID to the validation checks they are already doing. Perhaps as simple as entering the ID in a database, so they didn't have to do much to add it. Alternatively, they might be preparing a validation solution for Windows 8 as well, and the Windows 7 check is collateral.
     
  7. TCM

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    I thought the ePID is tied to a specific KMS host key and identical on all clients activated by that host? Is that not the case?
     
  8. AlexAlba

    AlexAlba MDL Addicted

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    Yes. I've installed Windows 7/Vista using those keys.
     
  9. rrohela

    rrohela MDL Expert

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    I checked ePID on server core & Datacenter build from same token & both are different...
    Morning i will test this update on Windows 7 based KMS host to will see what will happen. whether M$ blocked those Host Keys or not...
     
  10. Stannieman

    Stannieman MDL Guru

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    The ePID is unique for all clients.
    But I think that somehow the server can be derived from it, or at least you can compare 2 ePIDs and see if it was activated using the same server or not. If MS activates 1 client using a pirated host they can invalidate all ePIDs that were activated using the same server. They don't even have to know what server it is.

    That's what I think, but it might very well be wrong...
     
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  11. AlexAlba

    AlexAlba MDL Addicted

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    As Stannieman said, I'm talking about the KMS HOST KEY. It's already been blocked my M$. Tested it on Windows 7/Vista (Enterprise and Professional). Sorry, it was (KB971033). My bad. You need to install the (KB971033) update first and then go to windows .microsoft . com /en-uS/windows/help/genuine/what-is-validation and you will get the message saying your windows is not genuine.
     
  12. AnarethoS

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    I checked my ePID on my 2 Windows 7 computers at job and they are the same, so M$ can probably detect, from the ePID, that the computer was activated from illegal KMS server.

    Now, the question :

    If we use the tokens backup but on 2 different installation, doest the ePID (on the client) will be the same?

    I mean, if I install 2 Server 2012 and activate them both with the leaked ATM backup, will both server will give me the same ePID (on the client) or not?

    If the answer is NO, then proably that M$ will be able to block pre-build KMS server (KMSmicro, nano, etc.) but not made by ourserves.

    If the ePID is the same, then it is just a matter of time to be impossible to activate Office/Windows/Server from KMS leaked key in the future ...

    :(
     
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  13. AlexAlba

    AlexAlba MDL Addicted

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    M$ blocked the KMS HOST key not the client keys.
     
  14. AlexAlba

    AlexAlba MDL Addicted

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    Have you tried to validate a Windows 7/Vista machine activated by a pirated KMS HOST?
     
  15. rrohela

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    Already answered above.. Me & vymrdal checked & its different.
     
  16. AnarethoS

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    Ok, so is it the CLIENT that was tagged as not genuine or the HOST (the KMS server itself) after the update/WGA check?
     
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  17. AnarethoS

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    So they can't detect the KMS host used to activate from the ePID since it change?

    So this is good news, no? (yes please?)
     
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