Coronavirus | Discussion

Discussion in 'Serious Discussion' started by Deleted member 1254778, Feb 28, 2020.

  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    X, no need to call us again, we'll call you when it's all over... :rolleyes: :D :p :D
     
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  2. Mr.X

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    LoL

    Answer.
    Why don't you answer?
    focus in my question...
     
  3. Mr.X

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    @case-sensitive

    Why do you say fact-check.org and others alike and in general any source you quote, have the truth?
     
  4. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    'Cause you're against it!:rolleyes::p:D:p
     
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  5. Mr.X

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    @case-sensitive

    Why do you say fact-check.org and others alike and in general any source you quote, have the truth?

    Why?
     
  6. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    You're just bored, arentcha? :D
     
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  7. Mr.X

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    You think you are extraordinarily smart don'tcha?

    Provoking me to attack you in such a manner I get immediate ban...

    Fool ;)
     
  8. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Well, as fools go - you're a champ! :D

    See, there is something you excel in... :p
     
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  9. gorski

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    "Ivermectin is used to treat parasites in animals, but crossover use in humans can be dangerous. While Cole may have only been emphasizing the ubiquity of the drug, not suggesting that people should take veterinary medicine, the FDA has said that patients have been hospitalized after taking ivermectin intended for horses as interest in the drug as treatment for COVID-19 has grown.

    Ivermectin does have antiviral properties, but the FDA hasn’t approved it to treat any viral infections. It is being studied with regard to COVID-19, though, according to both the WHO and NIH.

    “Treating COVID-19 with Ivermectin is still being evaluated in clinical trials, but at present there is not enough evidence to support its use,” said Shapiro, the Harvard professor. “My understanding is that the inhibitory dose needed for it to work is extremely high and trying to take enough to suppress the virus could lead to other problems.”

    The trials so far have “showed no benefit or worsening disease, some showed shorter time to disease resolution or viral clearance, and some did show a possible mortality benefit; but there were problems with most of these trials that include small sample size and different outcome measures and other possible biases,” he said.

    Winslow, from Stanford, cautioned that “there have been many claims for miracle cures” over the course of the pandemic and said that ivermectin would need more rigorous study before we know how useful it would be in treating COVID-19.

    “Ivermectin truly is a wonder drug for parasitic diseases,” he said, “but my suspicion is that it will be a lot like hydroxychloroquine.”

    Hydroxychloroquine is an antimalarial drug that was touted by former President Donald Trump as a treatment for COVID-19, although studies found that it wasn’t an effective treatment and may cause serious side effects in some patients, as we’ve explained before.

    The problem with drugs like ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine, which are promoted as having broad-spectrum antiviral properties, is that the quantity of inhibitor required to effectively kill off the virus also sickens the host cells, Winslow said.

    Even potent versions, like remdesivir, which Winslow referred to as the “gold standard” of specific antiviral therapy in COVID-19 treatments, only accelerates the time to recovery, but doesn’t significantly reduce death rates or mortality from COVID-19. Remdesivir is the only drug approved by the FDA to treat COVID-19; the approval is for patients requiring hospitalization.

    So, Cole’s claim that “there is blood on the hands of bureaucrats in Washington who have suppressed this life-saving medication,” is unfounded. Ivermectin hasn’t been proved to be effective."
     
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  10. gorski

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    #3010 gorski, Aug 19, 2021
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    It was high time, it seems to me...

    "The French scientist who promoted the discredited hydroxychloroquine treatment for Covid-19 backed by Donald Trump faces being pushed out of the infectious diseases institute he founded amid concerns from key members over its role in feeding conspiracy theories and an investigation by regulators into its clinical studies.

    Didier Raoult has built a worldwide following throughout the pandemic for his support of the malaria drug despite its failure in randomised control trials. Multiple studies, including by the Recovery trial and the World Health Organisation, have found hydroxychloroquine to be ineffective in treating Covid-19.

    University professors must retire at the age of 68 in France. Raoult turned 69 in March, and so from 31 August will no longer be eligible to continue his post as a researcher and medical practitioner at the University of Aix-Marseille and Marseille University Hospitals."

    And of course, it must be...

    "Florian Philippot, a far-right politician and former campaign director for Marine Le Pen, has launched a petition in support of Raoult. Philippot has recently built a large following by opposing France’s health pass scheme.

    Raoult has released videos on the IHU’s YouTube channel throughout the pandemic, racking up half a million subscribers to his dispatches on Covid-19.

    “I would like the information disseminated by the IHU to be in peer-reviewed scientific publications that allow for scientific debate, not in YouTube videos,” Crémieux told Le Monde. “Whether deliberately or not, the institute has become the scientific guarantor of the anti-vaccine, anti-health-pass debate and feeds the conspiracy sphere. This is a problem that must be put to an end.”

    A 2020 study found that French people who reject masks were more likely to support Raoult, and more likely to refuse a vaccine if offered.

    The IHU Méditerranée Infection did not respond to a request for comment from the Guardian."

    On the other side of the Channel Unions are asking to be protected from selfish legislators and ministers: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...-speaker-to-take-tougher-line-on-unmasked-mps

    "Ministers and backbenchers criticised for unwillingness to take basic measures to help protect staff"

    "Four trade unions representing parliamentary staffers wrote to Hoyle on Thursday raising concerns that the scenes of unmasked politicians sitting shoulder to shoulder on the green benches represented “the starkest example yet of the unwillingness of a significant number of MPs to take the most basic of precautionary measures to help protect staff”.
    They said the “dismissiveness” was insulting and also claimed there was confusion about who was responsible for “ensuring a safe working environment in parliament”, after Boris Johnson’s spokesperson said questions about the rules on masks in the Commons and Lords were “a matter for the parliamentary authorities”.

    The Guardian can reveal there has been an “uptick” in Covid cases among security workers around the estate in the previous two weeks. As a result, new guidance was issued the day after parliament returned for its one-day recall, telling security staff they must get tested by Saturday at the latest.

    They have also been told to wear a face covering at all times unless exempt and to maintain social distancing, despite the legal 2-metre requirement also being dropped last month.

    The general secretary of the Prospect union, Mike Clancy, said it was “deliberately misleading and outrageous” of Johnson’s spokesperson to suggest it was up to parliamentary authorities to mandate mask use, instead of it being up to individual MPs to show personal responsibility.

    He said: “The Speaker has made it abundantly clear that he expects MPs to wear masks, and Prospect has written to all MPs asking them to take this basic step to protect staff, a step that the PM himself described as ‘simple courtesy’ only last month.

    “Unions will not stand by while staff are put at risk by reckless politicians, and following this shameful episode we are once again asking the Speaker to take a tougher line with MPs when parliament returns next month.”

    There were some notable exceptions among the vast swaths of Tory backbenchers who chose not to wear masks. Those who did have face coverings on included the former prime minister Theresa May and the health select committee chair, Jeremy Hunt.

    A Commons spokesperson said: “Our priority is to ensure a safe and functioning parliament in line with government regulations. Passholders should continue to exercise caution when they are on the estate and we will, of course, monitor the situation from day to day.”"

    Liberal Democracy in action...
     
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  11. R29k

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    To take a quote that a nice member named @dareckibmw used on his profile!
    Never argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience!
     
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  12. Mr.X

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    Great quote. Funnily this is the reason I didn't argue with you in the first place and never will. I don't want you to drag me down sir :)
     
  13. Mr.X

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    #3013 Mr.X, Aug 20, 2021
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    COVID-19 Plandemic: its true role




    At least this lunatic conspiranoid shows his face on video unlike you, smart guys from MDL.

    So I ask again, what is your role leftist Pinky?
    What are you doing here in MDL?
    Which position of power they offered to you?
    Did they spare you the obligation of vaccination? I know you didn't take the jab.
    Why do you want to destroy certain cultures and races you eugenic philosopher?
     
  14. case-sensitive

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  17. gorski

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    If we can't get rid of it completely ==> does NOT mean restrictions should or will be removed completely. Jumping to conclusions! It depends on its characteristics, how fast it can spread, how many people will succumb to it rapidly and seriously etc. If the Health services can't cope - that must be addressed!

    So, given all of the above, there certainly has NOT been an over-reaction, FFS!!! Have you forgotten how many people were dying of it (excess deaths) per week?!? How all other services were (and still are) suffering because of it?!?

    Are you really this stupidly arrogant to presume that all the intelligent, responsible people around the world did the same thing - for NO reason? Jesus Marx wept!!! Mememememe, only MEEEEEE!!!!!

    FFS!!! Get a grip!!!
     
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  18. Mr.X

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    Why do you think that? We already knew that, some other scientists have stated that
    We already knew all of this. Already happenting, vaccinated getting sick and infecting others. Already known.
    Already known. Why do you highlight his conclusions cause many other scientists so called conspiranoids and negationists or deniers have been saying since forever. What changed in your perception of all this that draw your attention to that virologist in particular?
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  20. gorski

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    Well, if anyone is paranoid in this thread it's people like X, Vlad and you... lonely, too... And not sure if you are low in IQ (I am not, tested not once, thanx a bunch!) but you are deffo f**ked up by drugs or something, 'cause your "thinking" frequently leaves a lot to be desired, as I have just demonstrated All too often: no method, speedily jumping to conclusions with 7-mile-boots... As Plato said: "Our spirit needs no wings but weights around the ankles!" It goes for all of us, especially some in this thread....
     
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