[DISCUSSION] Linux Mint

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@fadingstar: Like Tiger-1 said, your hardware should be fine.

Try to find yourself a 'live' image. Burn it to a CD / DVD and boot from it. You should be able to test it out without installing it.
Of course, you should make sure that you do a backup before any testing. If something goes wrong, you have the backup.

 

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to MJ hmm off topic you are impossible adorable lady still same here I remember very well this website when I start using Linux O.S. for first time long long time

 

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Hello @ TinMan - Thanks for posting the link to my tutorial. I just realized that some of the links to my screenshots are broken, I'll have to double-check what happened, and fix them ASAP. It probably occurred when the forum was hacked.

 

@John Sutherland Well, your tutorial was really invaluable to me and you really helped me with my first steps in the wonderful world of GNU/Linux! So I can only hope that your great tutorial will help other people cross over from the dark side

 

Hello @ Superfly - I finally experienced another Cinnamon crash last night, and got a chance to examine the log files this morning. Here's the error message as it appears in the log:

kernel: [12897.350396] cinnamon[2257]: segfault at 7fd326bfffe8 ip 00007fd34aa31305 sp 00007ffd874b3740 error 4 in libcjs.so.0.0.0[7fd34aa08000+c1000]

It appears that the package libcjs is trying to access a memory address already in use by another process and causing a conflict. The version of the package that's actually installed is libcjs0f - 3.4.3+sonya. More about the purpose of libcjs from the Properties tab in Synaptic:

Mozilla-based javascript bindings for the Cinnamon platform. Makes it possible for applications to use all of Cinnamon's platform libraries using the JavaScript language. It's mainly based on the Mozilla JavaScript engine and the GObject introspection framework. This is the shared library applications link to.

I'm not 100% sure what to do, but there are two things that I think might be causing this: 1.) This error only occurs only when I have Firefox open for an extended period of time and accumulating a lot of files in the Firefox cache. 2.) I have the NoScript Security Suite installed as an add-on in Firefox. (libcjs is written in Javascript; a coincidence?)

For now I'm going to uninstall the NoScript add-on and see if the error goes away. I'll keep you posted as to whether or not this is works.

The yin and yang of using Google searches: Sometimes you find the answer, sometimes you end up more confused than when you started. That's the case here.

 

Why? I personally haven't faced a single problem with 18.2.

 

Me neither, apart from what I've reported in this post and a small issue with an outdated extension. But then again, a lot of people are having issue with Cinnamon crashing, so I was thinking maybe @fadingstar could install LM 18.1, at least until the issue is resolved, since it would be his first first time to use Linux... A lot of people are reluctant to switch to Linux if they encounter problems, even though most of those (if not all) can be easily solved... I guess I was trying to help his transition as painless as possible

 

@ TinMan realy I agree, myself also already see a lot of users complaining about issues with LM 18.2 and with LM 18.1 NO issues only my 2 cents

 

Here is the problem with Linux Mint. It is an operating system built off of Ubuntu which is built off of Debian. Think about that for a moment. Rather than actually getting every bug fix or update directly from the source, you have an OS getting things through one OS through another OS. Which means the sh*t is flowing down hill and you're getting the bottom of it. The only difference is Linux Mint has a nice looking theme, which is not enough to use an operating system because it takes all of a few minutes to change your theme in Linux, just as easily as it does in Windows.

If stability is what you seek, go directly to the source and install Debian. If you really want the latest updates for your OS, just install Debian Sid (which is what Ubuntu uses). Either will prove more stable since you're not depending on multiple developments to resolve the simplest solutions, plus you'll have less bloatware as Debian lets you decide what to install and doesn't just pile up junk you don't need.

 

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Right, fellow brethren...

OK, decided that this Cinnamon crash thing is not gonna get the better of me (well took the easy way out by uninstalling applets that I thought were causing conflict)
Oh, BTW Configuable Menu has discarded Cinnamon ( couldn't care less TBH, the stock menu is fine)

So the thing is, I updated from a restored 18.1 image again without the applets - fully updated and all's well (thus far...)

Gotta say how easy the upgrade is compared to Windows.. even something as integral as the kernel upgrade!
( No waiting like with Windows while "configuring updates".. or "this may take a moment.. don't turn off your computer" (aka we dunno what the hell's taking so long but hope it works) as one pulls one's hair out! All install info in the details terminal window of what's happening.. MS can learn a lot from that.

PS I have decided to run the Intel-microcode driver as this is an older machine that may have lost support...

.. so can't see any reason for Cinnamon crashes now.. will keep you guys updated.

 

I think it was someone here who got me to try Cinnamon and while it seemed like a nice user shell, no matter what Linux distro I ended up using from Debian, Ubuntu, openSUSE, Fedora, Arch Linux, and Mageia it eventually proved to be unstable. I do not think the issues you are having are exclusive to Linux Mint, rather they are exclusive to Cinnamon itself. If I can use 6 different distros and they all have the same problem surrounding a particular software, it isn't the distros it is the software. At the moment I am finding Gnome and Xfce (in that order) to be the more stable user shells.

 

Obviously it's a Cinnamon issue - no-one said it was a Mint issue...

Anyway it's still crashing - will need to dig a bit deeper...

 

Well this may be Bridget Jones's Diary? LOL ... but latest updates done....no issues since my last post...

 

From what I could gather.. the crash is almost certainly browser related (as John can testify)

libcjs = Mozilla-based javascript bindings for the Cinnamon platform.

This is from my logs:

An updated version was installed
Start-Date: 2017-07-26 20:45:17
Commandline: /usr/sbin/synaptic --hide-main-window --non-interactive --parent-window-id 6291459 -o Synaptic::closeZvt=true --progress-str Please wait, this can take some time --finish-str Update is complete --set-selections-file /tmp/tmp6sl8l_5y
Install: mint-backgrounds-sonya:amd64 (1.1, automatic), libcjs0f:amd64 (3.4.3+sonya, automatic)
...
Remove: libcjs0e:amd64 (3.2.0+serena)

But still got crashes:
Jul 26 2000 craig-ThinkPad-T500 kernel: [ 1349.400398] cinnamon[1555]: segfault at 7fd2736fffe8 ip 00007fd2d1eb0a85 sp 00007ffd46b6aa50 error 4 in libcjs.so.0.0.0[7fd2d1e7b000+c1000]

Jul 26 21:00:23 craig-ThinkPad-T500 kernel: [ 2092.278175] cinnamon[5939]: segfault at 7f8518afffe8 ip 00007f8564c95305 sp 00007ffeab11e630 error 4 in libcjs.so.0.0.0[7f8564c6c000+c1000]

Jul 26 21:13:59 craig-ThinkPad-T500 kernel: [ 2908.263840] cinnamon[6194]: segfault at 7f94dcdfffe8 ip 00007f952622f305 sp 00007ffda8bdfcf0 error 4 in libcjs.so.0.0.0[7f9526206000+c1000]

Jul 27 04:51:37 craig-ThinkPad-T500 kernel: [ 875.602736] cinnamon[1542]: segfault at 7f4669afffe8 ip 00007f46b7362305 sp 00007fffdbaec090 error 4 in libcjs.so.0.0.0[7f46b7339000+c1000]

Anyway further updates yesterday may have fixed it from a dependency point (as I have had no crashes today) - still need to see which.

 

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