[DISCUSSION] Microsoft Edge

Discussion in 'Application Software' started by SAM-R, Mar 18, 2019.

  1. kaljukass

    kaljukass MDL Guru

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  2. JeanYuhs

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    #462 JeanYuhs, Apr 19, 2019
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    Interesting, will have to look into that Application Guard thing soon enough, just enabled it in the Windows Features but can't reboot presently, it'll be awhile. I get where it's going and what the intended purpose is, but I won't even attempt to say it's going to help people 'cause if it's something that must be manually triggered for use then hardly any average Joe computer owner is ever going to use it, much less care about enabling it.

    Also, oddness: after the reboot enabling Application Guard, I'm using Canary 133 and that option is not available in the flags, hrmmm...

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  3. boyonthebus

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  4. SalaR

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    please generate link for 32bit :oops:
     
  5. Leopeva64

    Leopeva64 MDL Expert

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    The effect that I show in this comment is from an installation of Edge insider Canary in version 1809 and that effect is the same in version 1903.
     
  6. JeanYuhs

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    134 is out... and I still don't have that Application Guard flag, the oddness continues.

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  7. cengizhan

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    update does not work with me. it says that a component could not be created.
     
  8. boyonthebus

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    Interesting. VMWare not only bogs down my system, but the OS in it runs horribly. With Hyper-V my native OS, and my virtual OS run fast and furious.
     
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  9. JeanYuhs

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    But I can't run macOS in HyperV so, there goes yet another idea, and I don't have HyperV enabled presently at all. The simple point was: with the Application Guard enabled VMware will not function, regardless of HyperV being present and enabled or not. I've never used it, not once, not about to start now.
     
  10. MonarchX

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    Portablulate it / PAF it!
     
  11. toyo

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    "Designed for Windows 10 and Microsoft Edge, Application Guard helps to isolate enterprise-defined untrusted sites, protecting your company while your employees browse the Internet. As an enterprise administrator, you define what is among trusted web sites, cloud resources, and internal networks. Everything not on your list is considered untrusted.

    If an employee goes to an untrusted site through either Microsoft Edge or Internet Explorer, Microsoft Edge opens the site in an isolated Hyper-V-enabled container, which is separate from the host operating system. This container isolation means that if the untrusted site turns out to be malicious, the host PC is protected, and the attacker can't get to your enterprise data. For example, this approach makes the isolated container anonymous, so an attacker can't get to your employee's enterprise credentials."

    Another very annoying aspect of App Guard (if i remember correctly) is that it creates a pretty huge parallel install of Windows on the OS partition, in c:\Users\All Users\Microsoft\Windows\Containers. Mine is 22GB or so.

    In short, App Guard means HyperV is present, so that makes it that VirtualBox or VMware won't run.

    You should do some benchmarks with and without HyperV installed. Here are mine.
     

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  12. boyonthebus

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    I am really not interested in benchmarks. I have no issues with my computer. Benchmarks are one thing, but perception is the best. All I know is that Hyper-V can be completely set up in about 1 minute. I set it for all my CPUs, and it works great.
     
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  13. toyo

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    This is wrong on so many levels. Human perceptions are not worthy of much trust. Our senses are imprecise. We are on a forum that relies on data and numbers for most of the conversations. Benchmarks are the only way to estimate performance of incredibly fast computing devices, and they are ubiquitous and diverse. HyperV has a sizable impact on performance, even on my decently fast 8700k. Memory also takes a big hit - my 3300 MHz CL15 DDR4 RAM runs slower than CL16 2666MHz with HyperV enabled. even latency gets worse.

    This is not saying "don't use HyperV". I use it myself. It is saying that you should understand its limitations. And it also says that VMware doesn't have this issue.

    People need to be more pragmatic.
     
  14. JeanYuhs

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    I've always had great success with VMware Workstation over the past 2 decades or so. I've dabbled with VirtualBox as well, and while it's sufficient for the general purpose crowd, VMware is just better at virtualization than anybody else in my opinion. HyperV has a place, absolutely, and yes running VMs will always take a hit to performance, some platforms worse than others. The only OS that gets a big hit because of no potential hardware acceleration is macOS but that's a given. I've been looking into OSX-KVM as a solution to get GPU passthrough but considering my ThinkPad W540 is using the damned Nvidia Optimus setup there's hardly any actual chance of it working.

    But we're off-topic now with this, so... "Edgium" is coming along very nicely IMO, and it's been my primary browser since the 1st leak of 109 a few weeks ago.