[DISCUSSION] Windows 10 Demoted Back to Insider Preview 17133.1 (PC) [RS4_Release]

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Enthousiast, Mar 27, 2018.

  1. inouext

    inouext MDL Member

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    Whats the deal about Diagnostic and Feedback options? Anyone can explain?
     
  2. dabugen

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    @robsinbc Good luck.

    @inouext It´s a bit unusual that these options are being managed by the Windows Insider program in a build that is supposed to be the RTM build. That message should not be there at all, which could mean two things: 17133 is not the final and there will be another major build (like 17135 or whatever), or they simply have forgotten about that message (happened before too) and are going to remove it with a cumulative / 0 day patch at the time 17133 goes out to the market, increasing just the sub-release number like it was done with Fall Creators Update to something like 17133.20 (or whatever), removing this message + other leftovers from the Insider build versions. No one knows yet.
    In case #1, you´ll have to do another inplace-upgrade (which is like a fresh installation but with carrying over *most* of your settings and all programs) once it comes out, in case #2 (which I hope for too!), there will just be a cumulative update (just patching files on the currently installed Windows) to be installed on your current 17133.1 build, without any inplace-upgrade or whatever.
     
  3. dabugen

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    #124 dabugen, Mar 28, 2018
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    It´s right because it´s key dependent. If you enter a Pro key during the installation, it will be Pro, if you enter an Enterprise key, it will be Enterprise, if Education key..... Just checked with someone who installed this as Enterprise without an issue using an Enterprise key.
     
  4. dabugen

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  5. Mannlich

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    Makes sense. Thanks for confirming. I'm going to check on my end and see that the image deployment works with ConfigMgr.
     
  6. sevenacids

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    Note that there has been a period of a few days for RS3 with no builds between the last non-final build and the final one. Therefore, given the analysis that has been done in this thread, it's impossible to know for sure whether this is final or not. If you don't have first-hand information, only time will tell.

    Now the blog post is a little ambiguous in saying "Again, we are in the phase of checking in final code to prepare for the final release." Checking in final code doesn't imply it has to be compiled into a new build, it could also mean zero day fixes that will roll out later in a patch. And final release is not equal to final build.

    Still, a delta of .1 is a little odd, because this has not happened before in a final build (AFAIK) except for the "RS3 anomaly".
     
  7. dabugen

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    Yes, that is why I think they will just release a new delta patch if any fixes are needed (and to remove the Insider branding) on the release day. Just like it was done for 16299.1, where 16299.15 became the final RTM on release day. So it should most likely be safe to installed 17133.1 right now, then just get the cumulative patch on release day...
     
  8. robsinbc

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    #129 robsinbc, Mar 28, 2018
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    @dabugen; thx but not working here; enterprise and education keys show as invalid.
    will try the download all option ..
     
  9. dabugen

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  10. TeamOS

    TeamOS MDL Guru

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    did any tried install original retail / oem key and activated permantly ?
     
  11. dabugen

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    @ashoktvm The script needs to download files, could it be that your firewall is blocking it? I overlooked this at first too, once I gave connection permissions, everything went smooth. Also make sure to put the script into a directory without spaces, like c:\temp\win10setup
     
  12. ashoktvm

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    yes it downloaded all the files and I didn't need to do anything it started by itself and gave me this error message
     
  13. robsinbc

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    thx qt15. i already tried that one.
    keys from there worked on FCU..
    doesn't look like edu or ent is included in the uup files.. ?
     
  14. dabugen

    dabugen MDL Junior Member

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    @ashoktvm What is the exact error? Have you executed the whole thing in a directory without spaces?

    @robsinbc Still have not got around to install my customized ISO, but as soon as I do, I will report back.
     
  15. Jaffar

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    Maybe the insider program servers are still considering this build as an insider build and dealing with it on this basis and they just need to turn off something in the insider servers or change the servers settings for this build from insider to stable without having to release a patch. Something like changing the update servers from insider to stable for an insider build after it officially become RTM .
     
  16. dabugen

    dabugen MDL Junior Member

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    That message is something local though (on your hard drive), so this will need a patch on your system. But that is how they did it with RS3 already too, 16299.1 was the last "insider" build, then a cumulative patch was released which brought it to 16299.15 and that was the RTM :)

    As for the Enterprise, I have just read it again on my German Forum that they have made it Enterprise just by the key and showed me the installed version that showed "Enterprise". I will report back how it goes for me and what exactly needs to be done.