[DISCUSSION] Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 21343.1000 (PC) [FAST/Dev Channel - rs_prerelease]

Discussion in 'Windows 10' started by Enthousiast, Mar 24, 2021.

  1. ceo54

    ceo54 MDL Senior Member

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    Maybe give Restorator a try ?
     
  2. SAM-R

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    Windows 95 was released on 15 Aug 1995, 26 yr. ago Takes 26 yr. to phase out Icons ?
     
  3. rcstar6696

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    #43 rcstar6696, Mar 24, 2021
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    You're forgetting about how icon mapping actually works, there are literally old programs that still use those icons, and removing them breaks how the icons are displayed in those programs, which is why Microsoft is being very, very careful here to not break them.

    Microsoft is an engineering-led company, and not a design-led company unlike Apple. Replacing those icons are a multi-step process, and can take months of prototyping, which brings me back to one of the comments I posted here about the icons, re: accessibility checks, high contrast, etc. and then there's design principles changing all the time, which means the icons that Microsoft made has to be redesigned again. Not an easy process, even if you think it is.

    Windows was built on the backward compatibility side of things and not to be a fully consistent* operating system. There were internal builds that used to have lots of performance improvements regarding boot performance, etc. and all of that was scrapped because of it.

    * This is obviously changing as time goes on ... but slowly. There's still lots of work for Microsoft to do under the hood that needs to be changed to make it more consistent, modular, etc. and that takes time to do all of that engineering work.
     
  4. ceo54

    ceo54 MDL Senior Member

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    #44 ceo54, Mar 24, 2021
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    Are we talking about 3rd party programs here ? I haven't seen any 3rd party program in my entire life using icons from Windows resource files, imagreres.dll and such. If we are talking about Microsoft programs why can't those programs map the new icons the same way they map the old ones ? What's stopping them doing so. Do you even know know how Icons get mapped ? Hint: imagres.dll -51 and that's it.

    Saying the it's engineering-led company, and not a design-led company is just evading responsibility. Engineering and design are combined into a workforce produces the product they are making for ~3 decades. IIf it's taking them years to introduce new icons, then they are a failure at what they do.

    You never designed an icon ever, did you ? for an experienced designer it shouldn't take more then 30 to 60 minutes for an icon. How much time does it takes to parse and test an icon on different backgrounds ?

    The only word to describe it is lazy.
     
  5. rcstar6696

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    #45 rcstar6696, Mar 24, 2021
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    That's because you've never used an old program that utilizes those icons. What I'm talking about is more than what you think it is. There's more to icon mapping than you think it is ... be an engineer and you'll understand how this works, at the end of the day, you're better off moving from the know-it-all mindset and switching to the learn-it-all mindset.

    I and other Microsoft employees have been saying this for years, it's nothing new and neither it is "evading responsibility." If you think Microsoft can't update icons or products properly then why don't you join Microsoft? That's what the careers website is for. It's not like Microsoft has unlimited talented engineers and designers, they're quite hard to find.

    Which was already covered in my first couple of comments here, and you have ignored all of that. That's all on you. A real icon designer would spend more time than that, anyone who thinks otherwise has no idea how icon design works and should probably be educated. This isn't rocket science, it's common sense on how you build products. It's not the first time I've seen people complaining about icons not being very accessible, and that also applies to icons on DeviantAnt, etc.

    You can call it lazy, but work at a real company first before spewing out stuff like this.

    EDIT (3/25/2021): You're only saying this because quite frankly, you never worked at a real company, otherwise you would have known all of this by now. That includes but is not limited to: telemetry (or what imbeciles call "spying"), A/B testing, iconography tests, product tests, etc.

    Please tell me an experienced designer who not only designs iconography, but goes various and various icon validation tests ... I'll wait. Anyone from DeviantArt and those participating in r/Windows_Redesign (or other subreddits) are excluded here as those icons aren't professionally designed, and are created in someone else's free-time. That's the point I'm making here, and you're simply ignoring all of it and bring up excuses to blame Microsoft for it which doesn't make any sense here at all.

    You saying that it's easy to create a professional iconography in less than an hour is peek delusion. Can you really call a designer experienced or a professional when they're leaving half of their user base behind by not caring about the other users? Microsoft already has many articles on how they design most of their own iconography, and explains most of the stuff that even the most experienced designers don't even do or go through.

    Microsoft's way of designing iconography is how designing an icon actually works in today's day and age (and the same thing works for other big tech companies too), not that stupidity way of designing an icon in PowerPoint, Paint, or Photoshop and then calling it a day without getting consumers' and commerical customers' satisfaction.

    Put it this way: if you're a designer that doesn't consider accessibility users, testing an icon on various display resolutions (with and without HiDPI), etc. a useful attribute, or creating an icon using Paint/PowerPoint/Photoshop and using that on an OS, then you should be fired and find a better job instead.

    You can keep on being an imbecile and act like Thomas Hounsell, or CHEF-KOCH, but that still doesn't change what you think Microsoft should or should not be doing, because what you're doing here is trying to outsmart engineers who have been at this for more than 10+ years, when you literally have zero experience or knowledge on how an OS works or how its engineered, which straight up has 30 years' legacy code, backwards compatibility, and other things.

    Also, is it my responsibility to spoon-feed you, or baby you with factual information when all of it is right in front of your face? No - you simply aren't doing the research you're meant to be doing. Presumably you aren't listening to Brandon LeBlanc (and other Microsoft employees) about this either.

    I wrote facts, (and I'll neither confirm nor deny if I'm currently working at Microsoft or not), and you expressed your own opinions about what I've wrote.

    If I've to convince you, or educate you on how all of this works, then clearly Windows 10 (and other Microsoft's products) isn't or aren't for you, and you should look for other alternatives instead, rather than being an outright troll here.

    Come back at this discussion again once you've worked at a real company with a proper full-time job role, then we can talk again.
     
  6. SAM-R

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    I am still very excited about what "Sun Valley" might bring. Would like it sooner rather then later.
     
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    #47 cuteee, Mar 24, 2021
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    delete
     
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    I would also like to thank @xinso . I wrote a program awhile ago which strips Windows Defender from any install.wim. Now I can also remove the Windows Security icon from the Start Menu!
     
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  10. boe323

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    Im just waiting for the release as my ssd is taking a lot of hammer installing builds every week.
     
  11. SAM-R

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    There is no release date for Dev_Channel Builds. 21H2 is due in Oct or Nov 2021.
     
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    #52 boe323, Mar 25, 2021
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    I know this, but when its time you get the choice to swap over and just update the build, less installing. Ive installed this though, news and interests is broken, enabled but not working
     
  13. boe323

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    Also i have this now, its a personal pc no organisation
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  14. mariojuniorjp

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    Found the problem: DHCP is broken on this build. I need to setup DNS manually to have a connection.
     
  15. boe323

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    Rolling back, shutdown and login times increased dramatically
     
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    #56 nosirrahx, Mar 25, 2021
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    I kind of hate that a full and empty folder look the same.

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    Administrative tools is missing from classic control panel.
     
  17. mariojuniorjp

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    UUP doesn't work on this build.

    Renamed the folder for "windows" but the problem persists.
     
  18. boe323

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    its called systemtools now, it will be at the bottom of the control panel, does anyone know how to stop windows update from downloading this build? i rolled back to previous and got the message saying ill be notified when the next release is available but it still downloading this build
     
  19. nosirrahx

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    Yep, I found it.
     
  20. Simple07

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    I like this release.
    Unfortunately, the 2 finger scrolling is missing from the VMware virtual machine. It seems to recognize the touchpad as a mouse!.