[DISCUSSION] Windows 10 Technical Preview Build 9841

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  1. CODYQX4

    CODYQX4 MDL Developer

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    Bulls**t.

    Sandbox = harder to hack, but not impossible.

    Google Chrome is already sandboxed, and it gets security fixes and hacks.

    iOS = everything under the sun is sandboxed, but we still have jailbreaks.
     
  2. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    Microsoft OS will never be virus free unless they follow the way of linux. Only problems is linux is going the wrong way too with system.d
     
  3. BAV0

    BAV0 MDL Expert

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    The way of Linux being...? Linux isn't some magically virus proof OS, it just isn't 'popular' enough. Same goes for Mac OS X users and their 'superior, virus proof' OS, their market share is finally big enough to get some OSX viruses
     
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  4. Windows user

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    #3885 Windows user, Dec 30, 2014
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    Nope, not just the tech preview/leaked builds/Windows 8.....I am talking about the usefulness of the modern UI in general, the so called "modern" apps are just big screen version of mobile apps & they are not really meant for content creation/serious work,they are made for entertainment,education or social networking,etc. & these apps are not so stable (they crash,they get restarted if you minimize or keep them inactive in the background for a while,you can't copy/paste stuffs into them as the flyout menu will collapse just because you switched to another app,etc.), which makes them unreliable for any serious use. I really tried to use the Xbox Music app from the day one of Windows 8 & it has always crashed sometime or the other & now I have stopped using it since the desktop applications are much superior & stable. The Windows Store is a joke & full of misleading/duplicate & half baked apps & then there is the problem of apps being removed from the store just because MS decided to remove it (Eg:-Good XBOX games like Crash Course Go) thus it is pointless to invest any money or time in buying apps as most probably it will get removed after a year :eek: & then there's regional restrictions of apps....but, things like these don't happen with traditional Win32 applications & that is the reason why people like the desktop & use traditional programs instead of Modern apps. Modern apps are good on mobile phones & tablets but, they are just useless dumbed down widget like programs on a desktop Computer & they are full of useless & distracting ads if it is a free app. As I said before, there's a reason why software like classic shell & various other metro removers are available.
     
  5. Hadron-Curious

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    #3886 Hadron-Curious, Dec 30, 2014
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    Your experience is fair enough for the few. In most cases I didn't experience those issues in my Windows 8 or 8.1 while leaving out the Technical Previews(both leaks and releases). Talking about serious use, there are some developer tools at the Metro store and they function well. Even Virtual studios functions well just as much as it is in desktop environment. There is not so much differences of Metro Apps from the Desktop as both are usually installed to the programs directory of the system and work almost the same way. At least, in Windows 10 Technical Previews we are seeing how they really work looking at their main folders at the programs directory rather than in the programdata folder.

    If a flyout collapsed for minimizing or leaving the apps to work at the background then something must be wrong with your Windows installation. It could be some third-party software is messing with them. It could be malware doing the trick. Who really knows until you find out the cause of the problem? Most people who complain about Windows 8 are not satisfied with the Start Menu that's initially removed and it's returned back in 8.1 after much squabbles. That means Microsoft is listening to the public view. Indeed, I would like to see how this your view affect a lot of people with references.

    Modern UI are not only good on mobile and tables but on touchscreen ultrabooks and desktop. The one of the areas it has performed poorly in desktop is scaling for wide screen(as you pointed out in your post) and something is being done to resolve that. Saying it is not good for desktop is only about speaking from your own experience - not for for everybody. I find the modern UI to be very good, fairly interactive, necessary and with easy usability while looking at the IoT (Internet of Things)that is leading the way for the future. To be complacent with old ideas is something that we must do away with. Microsoft is doing something unique with the modern UI beside the aesthetic look here.
     
  6. sevenacids

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    Let's not forget that one big issue with Store apps is finally going away with Windows 10: The full-screen limitation. Now that you can resize them, they will become a lot more useful on desktop PCs, especially little utility apps like the modern calculator, for example. In this regard, it doesn't really matter if a new app is Win32 or Windows Runtime based (just note that if you dig deep enough in the tech, you'll find that even Windows Runtime has its dependencies on Win32 - how ironic). Therefore, it doesn't really matter they ditched the old calc.exe for the calculator app because except for the UI, you won't find any noticable differences.

    But there are also downsides. One of them is the restricted nature of Store apps. Sandboxing is great, especially for users who are not always aware of what they are doing, but it can easily get in the way if you need more advanced features. I mean, it's impossible to create a Store app that is extensible or can use dynamic code generation at the moment. Well, you could, technically, but you won't get such an app certified and into the Store because it does things it's not allowed to do. A whole category of applications - tools that require lower-level system access, for example - is just impossible to build on Windows Runtime, and therefore it cannot be a replacement for Win32 in its current incarnation. It's too restricted.

    Then there is the deployment issue. We need sideloading for everyone, not just enterprises. I don't know about you, but I don't like the idea to be bound to a proprietary Store to get and install the applications I want, even if they are available for free. They sell this stuff with "it's secure, your apps will always be up to date, etc.", but, gosh, I'm an experienced PC user, just like most of the people around here I guess, and if I'm stupid enough to download some weird stuff from some unreliable source and it bricks my OS, it's all my fault. I don't need big daddy Microsoft, Google, Apple (you name it) to watch over me like a five year old. A lot of the software I use is free and open source, and I've been downloading the stuff from their respective websites for years without any issue. What would I need a Store for those?
     
  7. Shenj

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    It still matters, as of right now the minimum size of these Apps is still not good enough. The new Calculator is twice as big as the old Win32 Calculator, which is ridiculous as the only reason it is so big is because of it's huge touch targets and the inability to make it smaller even though there is literally 0 reason why they shouldn't just go and let Developers chose their own Minimum size just like developers can for Win32, if a DEveloper wants to create a App that can be resized really small (like a music player having minimal functionality UI when really small for example, or calculator.. etc) they should be able to but most importantly Microsoft's own Apps where applicable need to support this, the Calculator is too big for Desktops, i don't need one that covers so much on my screen.. i'd rather not have to download some Win32 caluclator just because they removed the old one and the new one can't be as small and reasonable for Desktops.
     
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  8. burfadel

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    I wonder what they will call the new internet browser? It's currently codenamed Spartan, and nobody outside Microsoft have actually seen it (apparently). It's supposedly written from the ground up, and uses a different ' web toolkit'. Internet Explorer that is currently seen in the preview version will still be there, updated of course, for compatibility reasons.

    It's even more alpha than the technical preview, and won't be included until a later preview build. It's not expected with the consumer preview.
     
  9. Alexa012

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    Guys remember this leaked picture?
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    Seems to be real...
     
  10. TheSubaru2012

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    #3891 TheSubaru2012, Dec 30, 2014
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  11. Shenj

    Shenj MDL Expert

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    Why would they keep current IE there? The only reasons it's still there is because we obviously don't have that new Version yet.

    Page wants compatibility? Render with Legacy Trident, otherwise new Trident, really on a implementation level this wouldn't be any more different than clicking that Compatbility button in IE.
    Just because it gets a new Interface doesn't change anything really, the rendering engine is still Trident.

    I doubt we see in the January build as well, they really need to have some stuff they are not showing, W10 is not going to be out for real until 2H 2015 so having all the key features revealed half a year before people can use it may not the best idea, not much to write news about, ideally you'd see w10 news once a month and let the press do your marketing ;)

    What we need to see in January is pricing strategy and how W10 works on Phones/tablets, and ofc some Desktop stuff but that will be downloadable anyway, for Phones it's unlikely to be ready enough to push to devices over Dev Preview which needs to endup on Build 2015 though, they need to get all the platforms to devs at that point.

    That picture isn't new :rolleyes:
     
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  12. TheSubaru2012

    TheSubaru2012 MDL Senior Member

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    I know, but we already knew when that picture got posted that it was a fake
     
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  13. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    The way microsoft is going now isn't doing them any good. Also steam has a app released for Linux and many developers already create their games on linux (xcom enemy unknown, half life 2, the witchers 2, Timelines Assault on America, Wasteland 2 and so on). Do you really think people would follow the microsofts way ?

    Look at Linux Mint 17 Cinnamon or Elemantary OS. Linux will grow and windows will die slowly

    Oh and for your info, i am running windows 7 and i am looking for a good linux distro atm. I am tired of microsoft with their s**tty metro looks and force users to accept it!.
     
  14. Shenj

    Shenj MDL Expert

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    So they are not good?
     
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  15. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    Actually they are.
     
  16. Shenj

    Shenj MDL Expert

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    But not for you, clearly you are still searching. :rolleyes:
     
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  17. fardeen

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    my hard disk seems to be failing according to smart and reading about a bug that causing windows 10 is scaring me, is this a bug in 9901? first time my hard disk is failing bought it in 2011. is it a coincidence or is it win 10 that caused it to fail? its a hitachi hard disk
     
  18. Michel

    Michel MDL Expert

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    I am experimenting with linux arch, always looking to get things better :rolleyes:
     
  19. kiruijhnstn

    kiruijhnstn MDL Member

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    One of my internal hdd and another external hdd failed in earlier tech previews but this seems to have been fixed in 9901 build...:rolleyes:
     
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