[DISCUSSION] Windows 10 Technical Preview Build 9926

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  1. orlaf

    orlaf MDL Addicted

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    Wow, a very great deadline, especially for bugs and features :D
     
  2. PaulDesmond

    PaulDesmond MDL Magnet

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    sometimes I feel like they employed stoned cockatoos only, no wait canaries, I forgot :D
     
  3. d1glow

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    Complaining about when builds come out is a complete joke, and i think with a new CEO comes a better development team and its showing. switch to linux if your unsatisfied with MS.
     
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  4. orlaf

    orlaf MDL Addicted

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    The usual excuse of those who don't want improve anything.

    Hooray blinders :D

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  5. ZaForD

    ZaForD MDL Expert

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    Excuses can never be justified, its Reasons that can.
    Agreed.

    So, going from, One Dev that (claimed) to know what their customers wanted, better than the customers themselves did. To bold claims about builds and transparency that aren't being fulfilled, but are followed by a range of excuses.
    Is that the best way for a new CEO to start. :confused:

    I don't think anyone here is 'unsatisfied' with Windows its MS's lack of transparency that's causing the trouble.
    If a build is coming, then say so.
    If its being delayed, then say so...
     
  6. d1glow

    d1glow MDL Addicted

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    It's 2015, you should expect that excuses are a way of saying its delayed, not to mention they are also working on other projects as well, so the fact that there is little transparency is because they are trying to listen to almost over a million feedback submissions with a team of like 20 people on 3 platforms.

    Anyways the next build looks amazing and is worth the wait.
     
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  7. bchat

    bchat MDL Smart Azz

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    I have been dealing with MS since windows 3.1, had TechNet/MSDN subscriptions, so I am not unsatisfied with MS. I am unsatisfied with the way they handled Win 8 and beyond, pretty sure I am not the only one.

    The "switch to Linux" is the typical childish remark from someone unable to come up with an intelligent response. Deal with it kid.
     
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  8. PGHammer

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    Please - the "kid" part applies to those that insist on an unchanging Windows (or worse - a rollback to 7).

    Windows 7 - for all the focus on the desktop, was primarily focussed on the desktop FORMFACTOR - which made up exactly how much of the Windows 7 user base?

    Folks have been using more than desktop-formfactor PCs since NT - not just 9x. If anything, the number of non-desktop computers (as a percentage of the user base) has been growing - not shrinking. That has resulted in Windows becoming a feature laggard - and not just on portable PCs, including, if not especially, traditional laptops and notebooks.
    If anything, the Windows 10 Technical Preview (9841, followed by 9926) drove THAT tidbit home to me when I installed it (as only OS) on just such a legacy notebook. It wasn't touch - legacy notebooks don't support such things; instead, it was the included trackpad.

    Trackpads (and the immediate descendant, the touchpad) are commonplace - how many laptops and notebooks lack them? Yet what do I see attached to both laptops and notebooks alike? Mice - lots and LOTS of external mice. And what is THE reason given for the presence of all those mice? Poor driver support for trackpad and touchpad alike.
    Yet along comes the Windows 10 Technical Preview - which actually gets trackpad support right. An external mouse was supposed to be obviated by trackpads built in - yet no such thing happened. Who gets the blame - trackpad ODMs (Synaptics being the biggest ODM)? Microsoft (who not only made Windows, but is also the largest OEM of mice on the planet)? Us? (That's right; we, by and large, didn't complain about trackpad/touchpad lack of support as loudly as we have been whinging about icons in the Technical Previews.)

    With proper trackpad (or touchpad) support in the OS, why would you need an external mouse for a notebook (or laptop, for that matter)? External mice take up additional space - they also cost extra; trackpads and touchpads are built-in - and are therefore included in the cost of the laptop or notebook in question. Space IS at a premium when computing on the move - in fact, it's becoming a premium in the office "cube"; why do you think that the WORKSTATION-grade AIO is becoming a trend? Windows (even 10) is STILL a hardware-support laggard; fortunately, it's not as large a laggard as even 8.1 was - let alone 7.

    Microsoft, historically, is not a complacent company - it is those that are, by and large INSISTING on complacency that worry me far more than Microsoft.
     
  9. brut7

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    How long has it been since we've been on 9926? I'm getting bored...
     
  10. steven4554

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    Approx. 44 days
     
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  11. xomniversex

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    #2412 xomniversex, Mar 9, 2015
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    The things I hate about Metro and this flat minimalist skew lately is how there's so much whitespace on my 16:9 1920x1080 display in Metro apps; how everything looks so dull and lifeless compared to Aero Glass (hell, I can't even set the titlebar to black without making text invisible) and, last but not least, how Metro apps seem dumbed down and tailored for novices compared to Win32 predecessors. Microsoft deprecates features left and right and its all for the sake of the chosen ones: mobile users. Aero Glass deprecated because it consumes too much battery, panels and options used by power users are shrunk or deprecated altogether for the sake of a watered down facade of simplicity.

    Why should desktop users be forced to give up so much for the sake of mobile users? Why not give the CHOICE of enabling/disabling things instead of forcing a one-size-fits-all OS? Let the desktop users have Aero Glass if they so choose, let power users have their excessive context menus and radio buttons and drop down boxes, etc. Give the Metrofied flat minimalist dullness experience to the mobile users by default using the Continuum subsystem.. hell even do it by default for desktop users for all I care as long as there's the OPTION to re-enable a full featured beefy experience with a beautiful GUI.

    And some would suggest I return to Windows 7 if I care about all that. Well see I want the beauty of Windows 7 with the low level improvements in memory management, I/O handling, and other kernel related and core related improvements 8 and up brought to the table - without the ugly and minimalistic (minimal in all aspects) experience of the front-end.
     
  12. nosense

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    Title bar is getting fix when they finish up the light and dark theme.

    Metro app might not be comparable to the win32 version at this point because the app is fairly new. The win32 version have been updated and worked on for years. It's a work in progress when it comes to modern apps. It's not like windows 10 doesn't let you install the win32 version.

    What "power user" option is gone from windows 10?

    As for Aero, IMO it looks dated and gaudy.
     
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  14. ZaForD

    ZaForD MDL Expert

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    While I can't disagree with what you've said, theres also the point of where people have bought or are using the wrong equipment.
    I think we've all seen people trying to use laptops to do jobs that's are meant for desktops, or using desktops when a tablet would make things a lot easier.

    Same goes with Mice, Trackpads, Styluses and Digitisers. I've seen plenty of people trying to draw with trackpads and mice, but I can't say I've seen many gamers try to use a trackpad. :p
    These issues are then made worse when the user (and the ODM's) use the cheapest versions they can find, usually resulting in bad H/W as well as bad drivers. :(
     
  15. nosense

    nosense MDL Senior Member

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    That's you assuming things, any source?
     
  16. burfadel

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    So, Spartan may run as an app instead of a proper program? That would mean that I couldn't use it either!

    Apps are hardly efficient, just look inside the WindowsApps folder located under C:\Program Files. It's a hidden folder, I'm pretty sure you can at least view it without changing UAC or permissions. Anyways, look at the size of the apps in there, each has its own folder, and how many files they have. I'll use Windows Alarms as an example, only because it is such a simple app. It takes 5.82 MB, which doesn't sound like much, but think of what the app actually does. Now, look at how many files it has... 138? For something so simple, that is a lot. If you look at the whole folder as a whole, even out of the box it approaches 12,000 files, and that's without updates and only the standard apps. Maybe the individual app files should be contained in their own mini file system files, like the steam platform (for games) etc, it would make sense. Further to this, I don't see why the apps should be so big space wise anyway, considering they utilise standard controls .

    So, apps should be:
    • run in a mini-VM, as I mentioned earlier
    • by running in VM, meaning you can have UAC and LUA separate to the rest of the system
    • optimise applications to drastically reduce the space they occupy, as there is no reason why they should occupy so much space
    • have the individual files for an app contained within its own package, like the gaming steam platform and other various game file system layouts
    • optimise the file size and file system point for phones and tablets as well
    You can optimise the PC platform and phone platform differently for the universal apps once downloaded, since this is done anyway! The mini-file system for PC could be that each app is wholly contained within the app file system package, or there could be separate containers for different objects like graphics etc. Just so that instead of having a couple of hundred files, you may have just 5.

    Unfortunately the App package system is overlooked by most users, probably because it is hidden by default. Check it out, I think you'll find the layout, number of files, and space occupied by the simplest of apps to be a bit ridiculous seeing as they're claiming they are pushing for efficiency.
     
  17. Shenj

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    I see, i see you can't use Spartan because it's an App? You can't use Windows 10 then, because EVERYTHING is an App. Im not even sure what stops you from using it, inb4 disabled UAC.
     
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  18. burfadel

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    #2419 burfadel, Mar 10, 2015
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    By 'app' I mean the Metro (Modern) type apps. The term 'app' is short for applet. You can run all the normal Windows programs just fine, it's just these applets that don't run. Applets are those downloaded from Windows Store, and with Windows 10 on desktop and Phones, the same app can be run on both systems. In other words, apps (including all those Bing apps like Finance, Travel etc), are pretty much just a variation of Java, where the same application can be run on vastly different platforms through the Java runtime.

    It would be interesting to know how many people actually use these apps for everyday use, as opposed to using proper (normal) programs. In any case, the app system is very inefficient and the changes I outlined shouldn't be overly difficult to implement.

    The app style Calculator is 60 files and 4.51 MB. It doesn't sound much, but it's a calculator! The Bing Weather main folder has 507 files. I use desktop Skype, and the whole folder is 11 files. The app style Skype is over 1700 files! The number of files can grow with updates etc.

    It just makes sense to have it in a virtualised file system like games do, and have them operate in a VM since they are 99 percent there anyway.
     
  19. frepsz

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    What did you expect? Microsoft is still determined to get you to forget what a PC is. PCs don't bring money, phones do. The next thing will be SIM card support in w10.