[DISCUSSION] Windows 11 Official Build 22000.xxx (PC) [co_release]

Discussion in 'Windows 11' started by Enthousiast, Jun 28, 2021.

  1. drazen11

    drazen11 MDL Junior Member

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    Settings > System > About


    Edition Windows 11 Pro
    Version 21H2
    Installed on ‎11.‎7.‎2021.
    OS build 22000.100
    Experience Windows Feature Experience Pack 421.18901.0.3

    Edit: didn't read the question
     
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  2. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Not sure what it's doing.

    Maybe is there just to tell that 16bit apps aren't supported on 64bit oses
     
  3. PolidelticusFire

    PolidelticusFire MDL Addicted

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    Now... Microsoft starts planning for the follow-up version of Windows several months or years ahead of its launch right?
    They are probably working on Windows 11's successor right now... Correct? (Planning for it, in this case)
    And I don't mean the next feature update for Win11... I mean the actual next full major release of the OS.
     
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  4. crossup

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  5. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    I mean, did they ever? I assumed that the Windows 10.0 was some kind of unifying factor tying the OS to the build. I never know the underlying rules behind the naming schemes of these things. It just seems odd to me that they would keep calling everything Windows 10 unless that stuff is being kept behind locked doors for future release. The subtle number changes are the kind of thing they do to boost confidence in a product, you know? Maybe they'll change things over closer to release. It's just hard not to notice how similar this build is to previous Windows 10 builds.
     
  6. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    #2486 acer-5100, Jul 23, 2021
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    W10 is not any slower than win7, it's actually way faster if put them on the same conditions.

    BUT

    W10 (the standard pro/home) is more bloated, starting from the ugly thing called defender.

    Just take a LTSB 2016 image, remove defender, remove the surviving metro apps and you'll have a fair technical comparison of what's under the hood.

    Is just like on cars, modern engine swallows less gasoline and are more powerful, but nowadays cars are heavier, because accessories, more electrical cables conditioners and so on, so they consume more gasoline and to have the same performance they need the double of the HPs.

    The difference is that airbags are useful, air conditioners are welcome, metro apps are not.
     
  7. boe323

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    tvdm64.dll is 16-bit Emulation on NT64"ntvdm64.dll is digitally signed by Microsoft Windows
     
  8. crossup

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    #2488 crossup, Jul 24, 2021
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    And the same can be done with W7. We can also stop some services from running to make it even faster to make a fair comparision with stripped down LTSB 2016 you described. We compare official builds at default setting, which will always show that W7 if given the driver and optimization for modern hardware will blow W10 out the window. Check the two tests I linked. You are free to recreate them, given you keep the hardware and driver parity between tests. I have done a few such tests on my e5700 and i76700k, which confirm it.

    Reagrdless, W10 bloat is not just some apps and programs, the rot is much deeper. The entire OS feels beta. It just doesn't have the responsiveness and smoothness of W7 or even W8.1. I will reserve my judgement for W11 till RTM.
     
  9. acer-5100

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    #2489 acer-5100, Jul 24, 2021
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    Not sure I'm getting correctly what you mean.

    I was replying to the question about ntvdm64.dll on a system that natively lacks the 16 bit support (not emulation).

    I guessed It was there just to intercept the 16 bit programs and telling that they are not supported.

    Out of curiosity I looked at its MUI and basically it confirm my guess, just error messages about the unsupported 16bit programs.
     
  10. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    #2490 acer-5100, Jul 24, 2021
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    Look I don't need any external test. I have from XP to Win11 in multiple boot on all of my machines and I use them alternatively since the day they were released (as beta), and actually I can say that the fastest 6.x OS of the bunch is win8 then W10, then W81, then ThinPC, then Win7 and Server 2008 (or de-bloated vista).

    Win7 and Server2008R2 are surely great OSes, with a better start menu, but W10 is faster. on some things (like connecting to a wifi network) hugely faster.
     
  11. crossup

    crossup MDL Member

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    Connecting to WiFi was not the criteria I was targeting. But, yes I agree W10 is better at that, mostly due to OS optimization for WiFi which W7 never got. I was actually talking about tasks like loading a 800 MB complex psd file. W7 does this under 1 min, W10 will take upto 3, on same hardware and same photoshop version.
     
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  13. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    Oh.. well... we may discuss W7 v.s. W10, but in a time where a 256GB SSD cost less than 20$ using an HDD for the OS is just masochism.
     
  14. milkom

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    More likely Windows 22 or 23
     
  15. Odev

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    The world moves on rapidly, and the support/longevity of older 32-bit machines will come to an end soon or later.

    P.S: And about the planet pollution and global warming, don't worry, we will continue to produce electronic junk in biblical quantities with or without 64-bit upgrades.
     
  16. acer-5100

    acer-5100 MDL Guru

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    That's the point. The world moves rapidly by itself, there's no need to push it further w/o a valid reason, other than stupid consumerism.


    It's not just matter of electronic junk, it's also matter of energy consumption to run larger, more powerful servers, which requires more powerful cooling, which in turn requires a lot of more energy...
     
  17. scaramonga

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    Anyone actually using this s**t?
     
  18. EaglePC

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    no win 8 again for me
     
  19. cuteee

    cuteee MDL Guru

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    There are so many bugs in Windows 11 so it not close even to IP build of Windows 10.