[DISCUSSION] Windows 11 Official Build 22000.xxx (PC) [co_release]

Discussion in 'Windows 11' started by Enthousiast, Jun 28, 2021.

  1. P40L0

    P40L0 MDL Senior Member

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    It's already the final "full build" for Windows 11 release since 22000.1, yeah (and same on Xbox OS, now at build 22000 in Alpha Skip Ahead Insider Ring).

    The only difference from there to official launch in October will be after installing the latest Cumulative Update which will be downloaded and integrated live during the new OOBE, or just installed regularly for all the people who had clean installed 22000.xxx before, and that's it until next year summer when the last full build of W11 "Nikel" will be compiled.
     
  2. Odev

    Odev MDL Junior Member

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    I see all you much concentrated about builds and rtm, but don't consider the s**t they will release in October yet: still incomplete like Windows 10 and that people will complaining about, due to some missing taskbar features

    At this point, for me, this Windows 11 is already a huge failure. And I'm afraid it will be even after the total retirement of Windows 10 in 2025 (despite the huge amount of negative feedback on Feedbacks Hub).
     
  3. boyonthebus

    boyonthebus MDL Expert

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    Such negativity is unbecoming.
     
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  4. Odev

    Odev MDL Junior Member

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    But if this is the reality, denying it will not make it different. ‍:-/
     
  5. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    Aside from the overt negativity, I am wondering exactly what shape the actual final product will be in. I initially thought they were going to release some time early next year. I couldn't imagine them tinkering around with the UI and actually doing anything substantial with the Insider program in time to actually release this year. Since it looks like they really are going to push for October, I'm thinking that if they stop moving bits around and just start bug fixing now they could make what they have solid enough for release in a couple months. I still wouldn't like the way it's designed, but if they fixed all the bugs it wouldn't be a broken mess.

    Personally, I've become more of an LTSB/C guy. I think that Win11 won't start with one from what I've read. In the future after maybe a refresh they might issue one. I think it's important that even if you don't like the way they are taking the direction, not to take it too seriously. There's a lot of trends, politics and government pressure that MS has to contend with and if you don't like a version you just shouldn't use it. The more people that refuse to use it, the more they get the hint.
     
  6. EaglePC

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    went to my mom and dads fresh install win 11 for them on Monday got a call boy did i get yelled at glad i had a backup saved on there computer
     
  7. speedbirdengineer

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    So i wonder what they gonna do with windows 10 LTSC 2022!!!!! Hope they dont wreck it.
     
  8. P40L0

    P40L0 MDL Senior Member

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    It's not, as they already vastly polished UI/UX, introduced features (like the new Store and Teams) and squashed hundreds of bugs and little issues from 22000.1 to 22000.132 just using CU and not requiring a full build upgrade.

    They'll just keep doing it for 2 months and GA will be in a much better shape than Windows 10 launch.
     
  9. d5aqoëp

    d5aqoëp MDL Addicted

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    Not really. Call spade a spade and trash a trash. It’s not like people are making it up with regards to all the criticism of the new Start Menu and Context menus.
     
  10. mrbbq

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    The reality being an OS still riddled with random old pieces in place (usually a good thing especially with the new volume mixer or ethernet tray icons - why the F is that buried away in settings now...), productivity and customisation features like BASIC DRAG AND DROP OF FILES INTO PROGRAMS gone from the taskbar, and this little promised feature of Android compatibility apparently absent.

    Still at least they're enforcing needless restrictions on who can run it, right?

    It's going to go badly.
     
  11. boyonthebus

    boyonthebus MDL Expert

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    You only here from people who don't like it. Not the silent majority who do.
     
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  12. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    We hear from both, but it's human nature to be attracted to negativity. It's even worse if you make a habit of it. It's exponentially worse if you have OCD and make a habit of it. I can attest to that. It takes some willpower to overcome natural desires. Sadly we all still fall into bad habits from time to time no matter how much we think we've gotten beyond that. I will say that people should try to rise above it. The negativity can really drag you down and everyone around you if you let it.
     
  13. murphy78

    murphy78 MDL DISM Enthusiast

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    #3756 murphy78, Aug 18, 2021
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    Couple things make me think it's not official MS release just by looking at it. I haven't downloaded it so this is just a guess. So firstly, the sizes of the Chinese versions are far too different from the En-US version. Secondly, it's in a UUP subfolder. I don't know. If I were really impatient I might load up the iso and see if the indexes had packages that were able to be reverted. If that's the case, it's almost certainly a uup convert with cumulative installed. MS iso wouldn't allow revert of the added package because they wouldn't be pending.
     
  14. windows builder

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    #3757 windows builder, Aug 18, 2021
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    it's not official ISO`s.
     
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    #3758 Odev, Aug 18, 2021
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    Seriously? And how would they actually do what you say, if they weren't even able to extend their new context menu (I mean what is shown on the desktop when the right mouse button is clicked) anywhere (including the recycle bin, for example), or make sure that all parts of the UI could be used comfortably with the touchscreen (including stuff like Task Manager)?

    This is a cleaning UI/UX, but just another way to create fragmentation (that exists on Windows 10 from 6 years by now).
     
  16. Enthousiast

    Enthousiast MDL Tester

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    then remove it from the forum incl. chat?

    The ISOs are still not available on Techbench dump nor at the official IP ISO webpage.

    Those who quoted the pcbeta links should remove them too.

    And to answer the 21H2 question:

    19044 = Win 10 21H2
    20348 = Server 2022 21H2
    22000 = Win 11 21H2

    And imo, win 11 sucks atm but in 5 years we probably are used to it and live on;):D
     
  17. Odev

    Odev MDL Junior Member

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    Oh c'mon murphy, this isn't a game changer and you know this better than me. They just took the already rewritten pieces of Windows 10 and refreshed the design...again. There is nothing that really makes think to a major release (intended as a totally new name, rather than a new yearly version of Windows 10).

    Microsoft has been doing this since 2015, failing to ensure a consistent user experience from start to finish across the system. Is the price to pay if they want to keep the legacy part, without alongside them to an alternative (like settings and control panel) in the meanwhile.

    There are mountains of feedbacks that have been asking it...for years, and they still ignore them.