technically, semantically, subjectively RTM = RTM, historically the first .ISO without timebomb / watermark and more commonly the first .ESD release, that ms shares with the major builders (Intel, Nvidia, AMD, Dell, Asus etc) to give them time to fix any bios/drivers quirks before: GA = GA, that comes after RTM, and it's exactly the same build, SVC / REFRESH = any follow-up minor ISO / ESD builds with integrated security updates / data-losing fixes / bloat does not matter how much ms blurs the lines, how many times they fkup launch RTM / retired-RTM / re-RTM, how many EP fake versions or how many times they don't even bother recompiling insider builds and just rename the files if RTM is meaningless, then FINAL is even worse, specially in the context of Windows 11 rather stop using FINAL, imho
This. Most probably manufacturers already got their 22000.xxx bits and are already clean installing/configuring their new devices with it. Public will just boot up those devices with 22000.xxx preinstalled and just get their latest big CU via new OOBE integration, and that's it. If manufacturers are already clean installing 22000.xxx right now, you can also safely do it too
NVIDIA/AMD already support Win11 and mobo manufacturers released Win11 ready bios, so it's safe to assume that OEMs already preparing their Win11 systems.
To be fair, I've seen numerous people using the term RTM recently, with several speculating when RTM will be, and others arguing over whether 22000 is the RTM or not. So I don't think you're guilty of keep bringing up the term while everyone else wants to forget it.
So what’s gonna be the Final RTM/Retail build again? nah just kidding. I am installing every CU of this ongoing experiment called Windows 11.
Nah...I doubt this will be the case. The new OOBE prevents the setup on Home edition, without an Internet connection (needed also to get the CUs installed automatically). And practically the majority of commercial PCs have this edition installed and at least one Wi-Fi card. Bet they'll keep 22000.1 as base.
There's nothing to be guilty of. People need to get over themselves. I'm choosing not to annoy them for the sake of community. The entire point of a forum like this is to talk about builds, tweaks, predictions, etc. It seems like people forget that and just want their own opinions to be law. That's not how life works and that's not how any internet forum works. There is give and take. You won't always agree with the assessment of other people. Of course I didn't start the RTM talk. I just disagreed with the assessment that this build would end up being the RTM build. I could be wrong about that. As time grows closer to October, the more likely that is. I'm not going to go into the reasoning because it would revisit the debate and annoy people. I will say that I am getting a very bad feeling on the final state of Win11's release. I almost certainly will not use it for a main OS for at least many years.
In the Store➡Downloads and Updates, Local Experience Pack (app) not showed in the list (like in Windows 10).
Ditto, a fancy skin stuck on top of Win 10 with an awful new start menu, a new taskbar with functionality removed, context menus that now require an extra click, and hideous spacing akin to the bookmarks menu in Edge (I can't use it). MS's obsession with touch devices continues apace. Updated and redesigned modern apps which I've never used any of. No major features added (as yet). No, won't be my main OS unless by some miracle major additions/improvements occur rapidly. Of course, each to their own and no doubt many may be more than happy with it - name of the game.
I think the same. I'm not going to set for now Windows 11 as my main OS. I'll keep a second PC with it for a few months until I see the proper time to update.
Yeah when it comes down to it, a touch screen os and a mouse and keyboard os are just not going to be designed the same way. Win11 seems to be designed to appeal MOSTLY to touch screen users first with the option to revert back to keyboard and mouse settings in some situations. Like with the explorer spacing you can reduce the increased spacing that they implemented so that people's fingers wouldn't be hitting multiple icons. To do that you gotta go into the settings and toggle it though. It's not default. How many different situations like this are we going to run into when the design philosophy is Touch Screen First? While I'm generally more interested in what's under the hood, we already know what's under the hood. It's win10. So what's over the hood is a touch screen OS, which I don't care for. It's a huge hassle to undo all of the default settings. But I'm repeating myself.
Instead of arguing over the meaning of RTM and Final, just ask the question What will be the build number that the Media Creation Tool gives you?
Most people's comments here just reflect unwillingness to accept change. I could copy all the comments after the initial release of Windows 10 and replace the 10 with an 11, and it would be the same. I, personally, find the changes very refreshing.
Having to right-click and select "Show More Options" is such a regression, there should be an option for the original right-click context menu, or only enable the simplified menu in Touch Mode. The other issue is they've removed setting Default Apps file types all at once and you have to spend 5 minutes changing each file type manually.
That's not really an objective take. There are things that have changed for the worse or been removed with no superior replacement. 2 clicks replacing 1 click and missing functionality is not refreshing. Forced task grouping and 2 clicks to access the real context menu are both show stoppers for me. Extra steps to pin an item to the taskbar and access the full start menu are also not refreshing. It would have been refreshing to be able to have 2 (or more) system windows open at once, but that is still locked to 1.
Initial Win10 Start Menu was a complete Upgrade (not perfect, but an upgrate after all) from Win8 Start Screen, more specially for mouse users And that is the just one of the most noticeable of all the changes Win10 10240 made from Win8, and most of the public uproar was due to MS forcing the update to most Win7 users which had an actual simple yet perfectly working workflow.