Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

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Will the wall be effective against illegal immigrants?

  1. Yes, the wall will be largely effective

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  2. It will only have a small effect not worth the cost

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  3. No, it will be a monumental failure

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  1. PointZero

    PointZero MDL Member

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  2. Mr.X

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  3. PointZero

    PointZero MDL Member

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    Thanks, but I'm sure it's not just Mexico doing that.. That exact same situation probably regularly happens on our northern border (coming from Canada) also. o_O
     
  4. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Aha and what about the US role in creating the trade via it's "intelligence services"?!?

    Starting from creating conditions in which, for instance, Colombian farmers had their liveliehood destroyed by the US "foreign aid" and hence...

    Onwards to CIA support of various "Contras" etc.

    Fish stinks from the head!

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alliance_n_5961748.html

    https://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/12247-cia-manages-drug-trade-mexican-official-says

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/07/2012721152715628181.html

    http://www.finalcall.com/artman/pub...et_ties_between_CIA_drugs_revealed_2625.shtml

    https://www.rt.com/usa/usa-cia-drugs-poor-americas/

    Ahem...
     
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  5. Tiger-1

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    @PointZero good find bad very bad :weep: this happen everyday unfortunately damn drugs :(
     
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  6. MysTikAL3

    MysTikAL3 MDL Senior Member

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    America already does this to the tune of over one million (permanent) immigrants per year.
    And millions more beyond that are admitted each year as 'long term' and/or 'temporary' status immigrants.


    To increase these (already enormous) numbers of (legal) immigrants per year would surely be national suicide. With the massive influx of current immigration numbers over the past 2 decades, the US infrastructure is failing horribly to sustain it's population. Each year this situation worsens.
    Here's why the overall US immigration numbers (per year) must be reduced;
    https://www.numbersusa.com/change/immigration/numbers/
    https://www.numbersusa.com/problems/unsustainable-population-increase

    US immigration is unsustainable even at the current 'legal' levels...:eek:
     
  7. nodnar

    nodnar MDL Expert

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    :g:i really wonder what problem el trumpo has, with mexicans; they are more or less educated, they speak a civilized language, they can actually work for a living, here in europe we get arabs, uneducated, and they dont speak any civilized language, and we have to provide for them from the cradle to the grave..by order of the EU. even if we have got the mediterran sea as to serve as a wall, that does not work as a wall very well .and the sea is free.. unlike that wall. i would welcome as many mexicans as you like, instead of those arabs. i think they can contribute to society.
     
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  8. Joe C

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    #208 Joe C, Feb 24, 2017
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    I'd say some of illegals that come across the U.S. southern border do not speak english, have very little if any education at all, and expect U.S. welfare service once they get here to feed their babies and health care. Many times Hispanics do join into street gangs, and live by their own rules

    I do believe there are many that come here with the dream of making it in the U.S. for a better life by working hard. There was a news story no too long ago that an illegal "Mom" had to go back because she used a fake SS number to get work. The family was on the news in tears and I heard that she was in the U.S. for almost 20 yrs. What I question, if this "Mom" had 20 yrs to live here before being kicked out, Why did she wait so long before getting "legal" I mean that she must have had some time in that 20 yr span to get her papers in order to get legal
     
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  9. Mr.X

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    Because that's a sample of this lazy/stupid culture we have here. Always late, always lazy, always leaving things to do for the last minute, etc.
     
  10. zen45

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    and there a kick in the teeth to the one's that went thru the trials and tribulations to become a citizen , why bother if its ok to cross the border at 2:00 AM illegally, cut the free food stamps medical education the bleeding hearts give them , and what's up with this sanctuary BS some towns are giving them ? another thing they should fine the hell out of who hires them they don't pay into the ss taxes unemployment taxes Medicare for them so we foot the bill when something goes wrong those who hire them are crooks .does nobody understand what the term illegal means ! there not supposed to be here there illegal . I know I sound harsh but where does it stop , or do we just throw open our borders and let everybody in ? immigration is supposed to be controlled , suppose they were Syrians would you let millions of them in just because they found a way to sneak in , would you try to send them back , we have controls in place for a reason ! :g:
     
  11. PointZero

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    #211 PointZero, Feb 25, 2017
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    I know about that since it was local news here: http://www.azcentral.com/story/news...nship-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos-ice/97962428/

    What I don't understand is why she would've risked committing the crime she did (DUI) when she knew she was undocumented and had young children..

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    Mr.X: I respect and admire that you're speaking your honest opinion about things. And I value your insight since you've got an "insider's" perspective. Thanks for having an open mind, because this can be a very touchy subject to talk about.
     
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  13. Mr.X

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    I've been thinking of this subject for years now. I've always speculated when and how Americans were going to stop this uncontrolled migration. For me, there's no excuse, no one has the right to trespass our neighbor's borders even for noble aspirations like pursuing for a job.
     
  14. MysTikAL3

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    Your words are very true, right on point. One can easily and legally (if they choose) obtain a green card or a temporary visa in order to work, and then they can apply for citizenship if they wish. One of the key draws on many choosing to cross into and work illegally is to avoid paying income tax, but yet to take advantage of every type of benefits the stupid Americans hand out to them. Many illegal aliens have (illegally) gamed the US system for years (and still are) ultimately collecting more $$$$ per year than middle class working US citizens.
    IRS Sent $46,378,040 in Refunds to 23,994 ‘Unauthorized’ Aliens at 1 Atlanta Address
    http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article...s-23994-unauthorized-aliens-1-atlanta-address
    http://www.inquisitr.com/1836601/illegal-immigrants-get-tax-refunds-without-paying-taxes/
    http://cis.org/mortensen/entitlement
    http://cis.org/cadman/gaming-system-illegal-aliens-1-unemployed-americans-0

    These types of gross negligent waste, fraud, and 'stupidity' and of the US government will soon be reduced significantly under the Trump administration.
     
  15. Michaela Joy

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    There was discussion about creating a national ID card which would eliminate much of the slippage in government.
    However, it involved biometrics (fingerprints), so the ACLU got involved and it was abandoned.

    The next time it is tried, it will be an ID card for universal (single-payer) health care. :eek:

    I hope they wait until I die before they start 'chipping' people...I don't want to live through a biblical prophecy. :D
     
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  16. nodnar

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    :g: my doggie has got a chip in ear..:D
     
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  17. Joe C

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    I chipped my kitty cat, but I would never recommend chipping people
    Although being chipped would mean you could enter you credit card data and never leave home without it
     
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  18. JFKI

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    That was the "selling point" in these old stories....

    http://www.wnd.com/2004/04/24179/
    https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn5022-clubbers-choose-chip-implants-to-jump-queues/
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/3697940.stm
    https://www.cnet.com/news/implanted-id-chip-finds-way-into-ers-bars/
    http://www.geek.com/news/spanish-clubbers-implanting-chips-556737/

    etc...
     
  19. Joe C

    Joe C MDL Guru

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    great... criminals going around lopping off peoples arms to get cash withdrawls
     
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  20. ThomasMann

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    Joe, do not be such a luddite, do not be so negative.... We all have to make sacrifices.
    Getting totally rid off cashmoney is necessary for survival!

    No, not yours, the survival of the system and the banks. Its called TINA....