Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

Yeah, they only speak French...

(OK, OK, many do speak English, too - but what's the difference, eh? )

 

Ya... just you wait and one day you'll wake up without your arm, slumped over inside a trash can in some big city alley way, and your bank account cleaned out. They will then re-chip you in the forehead so you won't be a drain on the resources next time you get mugged in the city

 

I'll just leave this here;



The whole racist rhetoric pretty much started when he talked about building a wall on the border of the U.S. and Mexico and that he would make Mexico pay for it. Then he also mentioned taking care of illegal immigrants by making them leave the country. I would like to note that illegal doesn't equate to racist. Wanting to secure our border is not racism, it's logic.

I'd like to now take a look at some facts about the wall that will be built.

1) Walls are not racist.

Inanimate objects are not, nor are they capable, of showing any form of bigotry or racism. They are incapable of showing emotion, therefore cannot form racist ideas and thoughts. Only humans are capable of discrimination. This proves that a wall (inanimate object) cannot be racist.

2) Securing our borders is not racism.

It's actually necessary. The reason being, if a country has open borders and we allowed anyone and everyone to enter, that country's identity, economy, and infrastructure will eventually be destroyed. Every country needs to maintain its identity, otherwise will cease to exist as a reputable people. It also opens up said country's vulnerability to foreign enemies wishing to destroy it.

3) There are many Hispanics living in the United States.

There are 56.6 million Hispanics living in the united States as of July 1, 2015. These are legal residents living here in the States. Donald Trump has never stated that he wanted to deport every Hispanic person living here in the United States. And legal residents do not have fear that they will be rounded up. The wall does not represent a barrier for those who live here, or want to live here legally, but rather a barrier for those who try to enter illegally.

And what is the definition of racism?

rac·ism
G2;rāG6;sizəm/
noun

• prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Racism is the hatred of someone based solely on that person's race; a belief that their race makes them lesser than you. Based off the definition above, coming from Google Dictionary, the wall cannot be a symbol of racism, as it is merely an inanimate object that is being put there to secure our border.

And even the liberal website, Politifact, says that Donald Trump never said anything about rounding up a bunch of Latinos just to do it. And he definitely did not say anything negative about legal immigrants.http://www.politifact.com......

The wall is only being ridiculed by the far left who already have a deep hatred for Donald Trump. They will do anything they can to try and bring him down, including accuse him of racism where there is none. He is also being accused of sexism and "women hating." When you have a racist in the White House with the ability to have people deported, then any reason he gives to deport must be a racist one. However, this just isn't truth.

Recap:

Walls aren't racist, Trump isn't racist, and no one is deporting hoards of Mexicans just because their skin is brown.

If you're here legally, you have nothing to worry about.

America needs borders just like every other country does. Without borders we cease to survive and our identity will cease to exist.

May 6, 2016
Mexico Already Has a Giant Wall, and a Mining Company Helped to Build It

Well now, Mexico's southern boarder, is Mexico and it's President racist?! Bill Clinton and Barack Obama racist too?! LOL
No, it's the typical progressive's divisive talking point, pull out the race card!
Inject 'race' into every topic to undermine, derail, obstruct, muddle, and sidetrack the true facts and the conversation...

 

Nonsense. Decontextualised. Meaningless.

Clinton called for the deportation of criminals.

Obama issued a challenge to the legislature to pass an immigration bill.

Neither issued an unqualified ban on Muslims from certain countries.

No, walls are not racist but attitudes building them are. Not only physical walls, of course: https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....ned-by-us-border-control-i-sobbed-like-a-baby

What, it is unthinkable? Think again!

 

Yes. Mexico has tons of racist people. There's even some sort of self-racism in Mexico. There are racist and snobbish persons in Mexico curiously mestizos, mostly.

 

https://hot.dvlabs.com/democracynow/360/dn2017-0224.mp4?start=776&end=1635

Trump down, not walls "up"!

 

Both Clinton and Obama plainly stated that the US immigration system is in serious disrepair. All 3 presidents said that we have Immigration laws for a reason, and they must be more aggressively enforced.

So, how is asking for laws to be enforced racist?

I'm sorry about the Aussie lass that got harassed, but we Americans know not to even kid around with those people in Immigration. They're -very- touchy and one wrong thing said can easily set them off.

I'm sorry, but once I steal your car or your wallet, I'm a criminal. Regardless of what country I come from.

If I'm a legal alien, my status should be revoked and I should be deported. If I'm illegal, I should be sent back to face charges in my own respective country.

The Law is the law. And it -MUST- be obeyed.

 

They say every rule has an exception and I think that exception should be clarified.
Asylum seekers. As long as they go through the proper channels... Provided they have a chance to do so.

 

@Mr.X: I believe that the average Mexican -and- the average American want the same thing. We want our children safe, our rights to be respected and the ability to work and support our families.

We don't begrudge anybody the right to live peacefully along side of us. But don't steal from us and then claim that it's your right to.

That goes for both Mexico -AND- America.

 

When you quoted me, you left out an important precursor and only quoted part of my statement.
So, I will re-quote it and reply to you, so that others understand the actual context in which I am speaking.

@JFKI: There should be no exceptions. If you come here seeking asylum and you commit a crime, you should be deported. And it should be made clear to you that this will happen if you commit a crime.

Nobody is above the law. Not even the people who create them.

 

The reality of it is that if these Mexicans were not forced to illegally enter the U.S. by our government they would not. Basically we need millions of immigrants to help grow our industry, and our economy while only allowing several thousand to enter the country legally, and no one since President George W Bush wants to do anything about it.

 

First of all if one comes here seeking asylum then it is very likely that they have already committed a crime in their home country.
( Shoe on the other foot - Snowden was accused of treason in this country when he began seeking asylum elsewhere )
The scenarios are too many to be discussed in only one thread.
What you are suggesting is the elimination of the ability for those seeking asylum to seek that asylum in America ?
You know, the country founded by the retched refuse and criminals of England ?

 

Yes. And this is the main problem we have being facing since ages. Our society, culture, systems, whatever you can imagine, can't give that ability for people to have work. This is the main reason of migration.

We here in Mexico are not doing things like other countries like yours Michaela do.
Those things can be enumerated in a long long list but the main and first in such list is corruption and laziness.

You see people as a hard workers when they are over there in the states, and surely they are. But as soon as they come back they switch to uncivilized mode, LOL.

 

You do realize that if Hillary Clinton were president right now that there would also be calls for her impeachment (due to e-mail issues, Benghazi or whatever) and large protests against her?

I'm not taking sides; just stating reality. Politics in the US at the moment is toxic and completely polarized.

 

omg, @JFKI... crimes?? what crimes? snowden made us aware of standard NSA practice to spy on their own citizens,
fyi; it is in the constitution here in holland, that it is not even allowed to open a snailmail. but of course
the elite has relinquished it long since, on the age-old excuse of anti-terrorism..and the constitution here does not
allow me to purchase an assault rifle either. which, imho, is a very good thing.

 

As I said the scenarios are too numerous.
Personally I agree that Snowden did the right thing... But our government did accuse him of being a traitor and many within our government have called for his execution, which in my mind is very wrong...
Politicians playing the role of Judge, Jury, and executioner long before that case could even be heard.
Of course that in and of itself has created a severe divide amongst the population of the United States, which is also a very bad thing because it is encouraging potential whistleblowers to keep their mouths shut when they see governmental abuse.

But, I digress, this is now way off topic.

 

@JFKI: Not at all. What I'm saying is if you are already given asylum and you commit a crime, then you should be punished under the fullest extent of the law.

About Snowden:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/08/world/europe/edward-snowden-russia.html?_r=0

BTW: I do not consider Snowden to be anything but a criminal. I don't care what truths He exposed.
You swear an oath, you keep your word. Period.

Here's an article from the NY times about deportation and what's happening.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/...t&contentID=WhatsNext&src=recg&pgtype=article

 

with all due respect, @mj; i could not disagree more. when you see something that is wrong, you have a duty to expose that wrong. oath or no oath. period.
but i guess we wander way off topic, like JFKI said

 

Yes MJ. You and I also both swore an oath. Do you remember it ?

Edit to add : I just checked the first few lines of the oath Snowden took.

Nuff said.

 

As if we do not have different understanding as to who the real enemy is...

Btw, no one noticed "racism/xenophobia" in Mr X's posts - except himself?!?

You see, I draw the line right there - to me this kind of speech, unqualified, is the mother of all f*ck-ups!

Yes, I would be against Hilary, too - she stole the nomination from Bernie and he would have drained the swamp, for sure...

But hey, the right guy got screwed, the wrong one is "in", drawing all the wrong moves and Stockholm syndrome is slowly sinking in, instead of revolt...

Jeezus!!!