Do you think a wall on the border with Mexico can stop the immigrants?

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Will the wall be effective against illegal immigrants?

  1. Yes, the wall will be largely effective

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  2. It will only have a small effect not worth the cost

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  3. No, it will be a monumental failure

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  1. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Let's not beat about the bush, this is what you get with that kind of "spirit":

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-39096833

    [h=1]Germany hate crime: Nearly 10 attacks a day on migrants in 2016[/h]
    Replace "Germany" with any country in the world, if politicians create the conditions in which slime comes to the surface...
     
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  2. PointZero

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    Bernie was my choice also and I was disappointed when he didn't get the nomination. But our current president was elected by our system and the people (and took office just 5 weeks ago), so we need to give him a chance.

    When you talk of revolt, that reminds me of the anarchists smashing store windows, destroying cars, spray-painting graffiti and accomplishing absolutely nothing except causing headaches for the businesses and people in the area where the "revolting" is being done.
     
  3. gorski

    gorski MDL Guru

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    Revolt like cities asking Qs as above: emolument and so forth... -> impeachment!

    I thought USofA has civilised ways of doing it... Like Nixon and co.
     
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  4. JFKI

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    You do realize that Nixon was allowed to have 5 years of presidency before he quit, do you not ?
    Which of course means he was re-elected.
    You do realize that in that time frame he got us out of the Vietnam war do you not ?

    I do admit that at the time I wasn't to impressed with his jaunts to China and Russia.

    So, what is this impeachment BS you are crying about ?
     
  5. PointZero

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    Nothing is civilized in politics anymore, unfortunately.

    The guy has been president for only 5 weeks so I think it's crazy to talk about revolt and impeachment. And I think anybody who does talk about that is just bitter that their candidate didn't win and is not based on the actual performance of the president. He's just doing what he said was going to do when he was a candidate and he was fairly elected.

    I think at some point in the future, he will do something that'll get serious talk of impeachment going though.
     
  6. gorski

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    Perhaps you guys could inform yourself about the emolument principle before you speak? For instance.

    Or take this on board: https://thinkprogress.org/trump-bro...first-month-in-office-5470f2c337e1#.7zifwx3gq

    This is what Bernie said: "Mr. Trump is a liar and a fraud. Period." And I agree, seeing all that I have seen and I have seen a lot.
    He can be impeached and he should be impeached. Just look at the FBI fiasco with Priebus and co.

    These are the consequences of right-wing BS policies these guys are setting up:

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-despite-being-married-to-briton-for-27-years

    This comes out of the UK - EU spat/Brexit and that is also based on endless lies and broken promises.

    Now, if this doesn't ring bells - nothing will...

    Btw, it took about 900 days, not 5 years, to take Nixon out, the crook that he was: https://www.democracynow.org/2017/2/24/john_dean_the_difference_between_trump

    And it only tells a story of democratic deficiencies of the USofA, not of "how good Nixon was" to "deserve staying on". He was an authoritarian sociopath, so he clung on for as long as he could. Just look at the video.

    To my mind, this is more than enough to anyone with brains.
     
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  7. gorski

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    This is whom you seem to be defending and waiting until he presses the red button:

     
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  8. gorski

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    How about this: http://inthesetimes.com/article/19919/pruitt-emails-oil-industry-epa-fossil-fuels-climate-trump

    [​IMG]

    Still no bells ringing?
     
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  9. Michaela Joy

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    @gorski: Do you even understand what you just posted?

    He's talking about a business tactic! The Keystone pipeline has been a thorn in the sides of -EVERYBODY- involved. They just wants to get it completed.
    And he's pointing out that He knows it, and he could take the lion's share of the profits for himself if he wanted to.

    Welcome to the world of capitalism. :laie:
     
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  10. gorski

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    Oh but I do understand a conflict of interest when I see it. I know what he was saying and under which scenario. And I can see clearly how his "mind" works.

    http://www.snopes.com/does-donald-trump-own-a-stake-in-the-dakota-access-pipeline/

    And while he may have dumped shares in one of those companies, no one can possibly say if he did so for other ones that might be involved.

    And he is not exactly "transparent" about it, is he?

    Moreover, there are many such points to raise!

    So, yes, I do know what I am talking about.
     
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  11. Michaela Joy

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    @gorski: Just a friendly reminder. The posts you made have -nothing- to do with the original post.

    I'm sorry, but he's no different than any other politician or businessman. They -ALL- have personal interests and ulterior motives, which is the main reason why they got into politics in the first place.

    What do you suppose Hillary would have done if She became president? The same screaming and carrying on would have been going on, except the Republicans would have been doing it.

    IMHO the Electoral College weighed out everything and went with the choice that was best for the all interests in America. Whether or not we want to accept it.

    The mainstream Media and issues like these are the "tools of the Magicians" They either create or manipulate a conflict or an issue, feed it until it grows into a monster and make everybody focus on it while they pull some other stunt.

    They're masters at their craft, and have been doing it for almost a century.

    We are like Mushrooms. We're kept in the dark and fed bullschitt.

    Check this out.

    http://www.************/former-nsa-analyst-intel-community-wants-trump-to-die-in-jail/

    -and this-

    http://www.************/breaking-trump-has-officially-killed-msmfake-news/

    Back on point now.

    This is the reason we have to build a better border and police it better.

    https://www.wola.org/files/mxgt/report/

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...exico-wont-discuss-migration/article30397720/

    https://www.ft.com/content/c316294a-7915-11e6-97ae-647294649b28

    http://www.vdare.com/articles/no-me...-but-if-trump-wins-it-might-have-to-build-one

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-wall-Central-America-illegal-immigrants.html

    The rest of south America needs to understand that there's a wall waiting on the northern -AND- southern border of Mexico that is all but impassable, so that they won't even try to cross.

    You all need to look at what's happening to South Americans who are trying to immigrate here. They're being shaken down, murdered, or sold into human trafficking.

    And that's happening in Mexico. They want to do it. We want to do it.
     
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  12. gorski

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    Actually, it has everything to do with it: does he have a conflict of interest, given the kind of man he is, or not?

    Other "politicians" (presidents) have agreed to play by the rules, he does not have any respect for them.

    And no wall will help the USofA if the neighbours are poor and have nothing to lose.
     
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  13. JFKI

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  15. gorski

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    JFK: what, more state terror?!? Why on Earth do you think I would be signing up to that?!?

    You serious or what was your intention there?

    MJ, these guys are protesting with Palestinians for years, throughout England...
     

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  16. Michaela Joy

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    @gorski: A glimmer of hope for humanity. :)
     
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  17. gorski

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    I did my MA in Human Rights with some of these guys...
     
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  18. CHEF-KOCH

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    We already had that story with walls multiple times, the chinese people, germans and we all know that it doesn't help.

    What's in Mexico? --> Mexicans | 'From Dusk Till Dawn' Quentin Tarantino

    Now close the topic. :sneaky:
     
  19. Michaela Joy

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    :laie: Why?!? Because it's not about the Walking Dead?

    -AND-

    Is that the most intelligent answer you can come up with?
     
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  20. CHEF-KOCH

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    Because it not helps. End. We had examples and now we doing same mistakes again?

    You now the definition of craziness or mental illness? If you try over and over exactly the same thing and except other results.